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Bryce is still the future

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mrcompletely11 Grand Master

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1 minute ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I mean if you want to split hairs, Bryce is: 

1572 yards, 7 TD, 7 INT, 59% comp % on the season.

If you want to just talk about the last "few weeks". Bryce is:

1273 yards, , 7 TD, 4INT, 59%. 

Which means he is averaging 

212 yards, 1.1 TD, 0.6INT per game. 

Congrats, he went from Randy Fasani to Kyle Allen. He is doing better but he still isn't good. As long as he is progressing week to week, I'm happy for him, but keep in mind he has a long fuging way to go to be considered good.

Hes improving for sure but we absolutely have to be real about what we are seeing and stop being so dramatic.  But any rational person will see the benching has helped him.   Whats his ceiling?  I have my doubts but his floor is nfl back up.

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14 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

 

212 yards, 1.1 TD, 0.6INT per game. 

 

Passing is down across the league.

The Seahawks who lead the league in passing yardage are throwing ~270YPG.

Josh Allen who is the likely MVP is throwing for ~230YPG.  

Stroud - ~245YPG.

Your argument isn't strong even if you just look at YPG, which is foolish way to evaluate QB play.   (Kirk cousins.......)

TDs, sure.  Bryce and the Panthers need to score more on their redzone possessions. Currently his most glaring weakness, even in his resurgence.

 

 If you have watched the last several Panthers games and don't even think he is a "good" QB, you are lying to yourself.    He needs to continue this play to show it wasn't a flash in the pan but his play during the last several weeks has been GOOD at a minimum.

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All this time the majority consensus on the boards is that we've wanted to see flashes, the ability to throw deep, to pass the eye test, to look competent and composed against tough competition, to be able to make this team competitive...all qualitative metrics.  "Stats can lie" is a sentiment I've seen posted quite a bit in here...but all of a sudden some of you have become devout statisticians who just copy/paste box scores.

Like come on guys...moving the goalposts isn't new here, but this thread was from two and a half weeks ago.  Most of what was laid out in there, is unfolding before our eyes.  Production is obviously important and will need to improve before we can reasonably anoint Bryce our franchise QB; but as long as Bryce continues developing and gaining confidence, the production should come.  Especially if our receivers can develop their skillsets and confidence alongside him.

 

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Bryce has earned his spot for next year.  He will hopefully continue to improve.  And personally I think that's great news.  The reality is, we aren't drafting a QB in the top 5 this year and free agency will be awful.  The fact that he's at minimum a stop gap for us at QB is great news.

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44 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

Passing is down across the league.

The Seahawks who lead the league in passing yardage are throwing ~270YPG.

Josh Allen who is the likely MVP is throwing for ~230YPG.  

Stroud - ~245YPG.

Your argument isn't strong even if you just look at YPG, which is foolish way to evaluate QB play.   (Kirk cousins.......)

TDs, sure.  Bryce and the Panthers need to score more on their redzone possessions. Currently his most glaring weakness, even in his resurgence.

 

 If you have watched the last several Panthers games and don't even think he is a "good" QB, you are lying to yourself.    He needs to continue this play to show it wasn't a flash in the pan but his play during the last several weeks has been GOOD at a minimum.

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1 hour ago, jamos14 said:

Passing is down across the league.

The Seahawks who lead the league in passing yardage are throwing ~270YPG.

Josh Allen who is the likely MVP is throwing for ~230YPG.  

Stroud - ~245YPG.

Your argument isn't strong even if you just look at YPG, which is foolish way to evaluate QB play.   (Kirk cousins.......)

TDs, sure.  Bryce and the Panthers need to score more on their redzone possessions. Currently his most glaring weakness, even in his resurgence.

 

 If you have watched the last several Panthers games and don't even think he is a "good" QB, you are lying to yourself.    He needs to continue this play to show it wasn't a flash in the pan but his play during the last several weeks has been GOOD at a minimum.

I don't expect this trend of passing yardage being down to hold.

Going back to 2020 before this season every other season before had no less than 8-10 QB's with over 4k passing yards.

The league has highs and lows and ups and downs but things always level back out.

Even just this past weekend there were 7 QB's with over 300 passing yards.

Make no mistake if we want to be competitive with staying power for any significant amount of time consecutively in the future we will still need a QB who has the capacity to sling it up and down the field.

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Hes improving for sure but we absolutely have to be real about what we are seeing and stop being so dramatic.  But any rational person will see the benching has helped him.   Whats his ceiling?  I have my doubts but his floor is nfl back up.

There's still time for that to play out.  He's not due for an extension this year.  He'll get to play next year.  We'll have more information after year 3 with more roster improvements, and Canales with a year of experience under his belt etc.  If Canales and Morgan are the real deal, they'll make the right decision when that time comes.

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24 minutes ago, frankw said:

I don't expect this trend of passing yardage being down to hold.

Going back to 2020 before this season every other season before had no less than 8-10 QB's with over 4k passing yards.

The league has highs and lows and ups and downs but things always level back out.

Even just this past weekend there were 7 QB's with over 300 passing yards.

Make no mistake if we want to be competitive with staying power for any significant amount of time consecutively in the future we will still need a QB who has the capacity to sling it up and down the field.

That's fair.

But as of now, it is what is is.  It's the environment that he is operating in and doing so successfully.

I think he's shown he has potential to be the guy.  Not that he is yet.

But he's still 23 years old.  Lots of room for growth.   I like where he is headed.

 

And another poster earlier nailed this:  "Bryce has displayed immeasurable mental toughness to come back from his career start to this point".    He ain't wrong.  He was the laughing stock of the NFL 2 months ago.

 

 

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5 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I mean if you want to split hairs, Bryce is: 

1572 yards, 7 TD, 7 INT, 59% comp % on the season.

If you want to just talk about the last "few weeks". Bryce is:

1273 yards, , 7 TD, 4INT, 59%. 

Which means he is averaging 

212 yards, 1.1 TD, 0.6INT per game. 

Congrats, he went from Randy Fasani to Kyle Allen. He is doing better but he still isn't good. As long as he is progressing week to week, I'm happy for him, but keep in mind he has a long fuging way to go to be considered good.

Bullshirt--here is why.  Look again at your stats--lets go first five games and last five games. 

First four games 300 yards

Last six games 1273 yards

Cherry pick stats much? 

Secondly, he is throwing the ball downfield to do this--before he was checking it down. 

 

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Just now, Gipetto said:

Bryce is the franchise and when this team goes on a tear next year i want all you haters gone. No second chances

Think he is still the future. We will see a bounce back game next week.

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41 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

Think he is still the future. We will see a bounce back game next week.

If he is the future why is it that Andy Dalton managed to orchestrate what is still the highest scoring game of the season? And he stinks.

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