Chase Daniels breaks down Bryce vs DEN

[NAS]

Bryce is still suffering from PTSD, but I think he looked better, needs to build on it and try to show it for four quarters. 

[Aussie Tank]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Bryce is still suffering from PTSD, but I think he looked better, needs to build on it and try to show it for four quarters. 

He needs to start hitting the first read of the plays when they’re open 

[R0CKnR0LLA]

26 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

He needs to start hitting the first read of the plays when they’re open 

Competent QBs can read defenses presnap, see where their best matchups are and already know where they're going with the ball.

Then have good footwork with fast fundamentally sound dropbacks.

See the field well and decisive with their decisions on where to go with the ball.

And an NFL caliber arm, get the ball out quickly and deliver it with velocity.

Bryce can do none of these things.

Edited 9 hours ago by R0CKnR0LLA

[Tr3ach]

5 hours ago, Rocky Davis said:

This was a good breakdown from Daniels.  Last year has had a lasting impact on Young.

• He still isn't getting the time needed from the OL - the OL we have is made to establish the run and for the run to be in play.  We get behind and have to throw all game we are doomed with this O-line.
• His receivers have to catch the ball when he makes a good throw to them, he can't have them dropping his good passes.
• Why are we running 4 slants all toward the same direction?  Why a triple option on 4th and 1? That's on the coaches.
• Bryce gets hurried and starts slinging the ball where it shouldn't be thrown, more study and recognition from him are needed. 
• Bryce doesn't step up in the pocket and throws too soon and unbalanced.  He over and under throws the ball because of it.  That's on him.  If the pocket isn't there and he can't get his base set he needs to check down or "live to fight another day."

He has been thrown to the wolves and has lost his confidence.  This team doesn't have much, if any, talent and it's a cluster.  I think he can still be an NFL QB.  Maybe not a QB1 in the short term, but if he has a chance with better coaching and personnel he may be better than we are giving him credit for.

I think we ruined him last year and have not fixed anything to help him this year.  If we can't run or get way behind all NFL defenses are coming after him.  Dalton has more respect and defenses didn't always sell out to get to him because he'd hit a quick slant, screen, or check down because he has the experience to know what's coming and what to do.

Just my 2 cents.

I appreciate your in depth look at it but I think there is a lot of stuff you bring up that he brings on himself.  He drops too deep to try to see over the line which creates a lot more pressure on the line.  He also has no feel for the pocket and pretty regularly bails on a clean pocket or shifts in a direction that puts more pressure on the line.  #1 though no matter how many excuses we want to make for him,  he has to stand on his tiptoes to see over nfl lines which makes his throws entirely have to come from his arm and when you factor that's the only place his throwing power can come from with that issue,  he's never going to have an arm that's nfl capable.  It's as simple as that.

[Rocky Davis]

38 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I appreciate your in depth look at it but I think there is a lot of stuff you bring up that he brings on himself.  He drops too deep to try to see over the line which creates a lot more pressure on the line.  He also has no feel for the pocket and pretty regularly bails on a clean pocket or shifts in a direction that puts more pressure on the line.  #1 though no matter how many excuses we want to make for him,  he has to stand on his tiptoes to see over nfl lines which makes his throws entirely have to come from his arm and when you factor that's the only place his throwing power can come from with that issue,  he's never going to have an arm that's nfl capable.  It's as simple as that.

How do you explain Drew Brees then?

He didn't wear heels when he played.  Having talent around you and the confidence you can stay in the pocket and have time to throw the ball does wonders for a QB.  Young has never had that.

What you've said is true, he does bail and goes the wrong way at times but if you've been put on your butt as much as he has with terrible protection I dare say most of us would do the same. 

I am not saying Young is a franchise QB, but I believe our Front Office, Coaching, and Tepper have basically ruined him for being worth anything to the Panthers.  A different team, FO, coaching staff and I think some crow might be eaten, whether that's people who don't think he's worth one cent or me!

[Ghostofdelhomme]

17 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

How do you explain Drew Brees then?

He didn't wear heels when he played.  Having talent around you and the confidence you can stay in the pocket and have time to throw the ball does wonders for a QB.  Young has never had that.

What you've said is true, he does bail and goes the wrong way at times but if you've been put on your butt as much as he has with terrible protection I dare say most of us would do the same. 

I am not saying Young is a franchise QB, but I believe our Front Office, Coaching, and Tepper have basically ruined him for being worth anything to the Panthers.  A different team, FO, coaching staff and I think some crow might be eaten, whether that's people who don't think he's worth one cent or me!

The only thing preventing a 5 year rebuild is to play Bryce, Brooks, XL and Coker and pray to God something develops. Defense is going to consume the next few drafts. Brooks needs to be special for any of this to work. 

[strato]

5 hours ago, Rocky Davis said:

How do you explain Drew Brees then?

He didn't wear heels when he played.  Having talent around you and the confidence you can stay in the pocket and have time to throw the ball does wonders for a QB.  Young has never had that.

What you've said is true, he does bail and goes the wrong way at times but if you've been put on your butt as much as he has with terrible protection I dare say most of us would do the same. 

I am not saying Young is a franchise QB, but I believe our Front Office, Coaching, and Tepper have basically ruined him for being worth anything to the Panthers.  A different team, FO, coaching staff and I think some crow might be eaten, whether that's people who don't think he's worth one cent or me!

Okay, please look up the actual size of Drew Brees. When you do you will realize, I hope, he is as close to the prototypical size as he is to Bryce. In the middle.

Comparing the two off of their size because Brees is as small as Bryce.... it is not a real thing.  

Stand a 6'1" 205-210 lb guy next to Young and see what that really looks like.