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It's not just the Panthers... the NFL sucks at developing young QBs "it's a systemic problem"

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I agree to a certain extent. Some QBs show flashes but aren’t developed appropriately. Some never show anything but somehow have all the excuses in the world. Some are just terrible from the get go because their game from college doesn’t translate to the NFL. 

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Just now, Manna said:

I agree to a certain extent. Some QBs show flashes but aren’t developed appropriately. Some never show anything but somehow have all the excuses in the world. Some are just terrible from the get go because their game from college doesn’t translate to the NFL. 

100% agree.

 

Daniels and Stroud came out balling from the jump. Then you have Nix/Caleb who started out slow, but now they are balling. Then you have guys like Bryce/Levis who just don't have the skills or IQ to be successful.

 

Then again they could just be in bad situations with bad franchises. Baker/Darnold left us and got better. So then you can look at the development part and who's coaching these guys.

 

I can see both sides there is no right or wrong answer here because both the coaches and QB's have to meet halfway.

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QBs that could be good are never really given what they need or the time they need to develop. 

the unrealistic expectation is that they start day one. the reality is that very few, even among those who are taken early, can start day 1. 

we need a farm league. teams who draft QBs early should not be drafting QBs early if they expect the QB they draft to be able to start right away.

Stroud succeeding early is not at all the norm. most QBs fail when asked to start day 1. that's the reality.

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It takes time. Brady was talking about the colleges dropping the ball.

NFL has too long relied on college. MLB has the minors, and college. In the minors the organization can set up a consistent approach at each level which you don't get in college.

The push for athletic QBs has really changed things too. If a guy can run around and over people and throw a decent pass then you want him to touch the ball every play even if he can't read coverages.

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Pretty much. Seems like you basically know what you have within a handful of games when it used to be the norm for even future great QBs to struggle for a year or two, sometimes even mightily. You just wanted to see the physical talent and see signs of being coachable, putting in the work, and moving in the right direction. But these days of a guy sucks right out of the gate he's probably just gonna continue to suck. I think part of it is a lack of patience due to the expectations of early success. If a guy shows the talent, the work ethic, and he's coachable you probably wanna hang in there for awhile to see if it all starts to come together. Early turnover issues or getting hung up on the first read and similar stuff that used to be expected out of young QBs can be worked with. Just hang in there and see how it goes over time. That lack of patience also comes from ownership suites where there's oftentimes a quick trigger finger on coaches and GMs. Those guys know if they don't start producing wins quickly they'll be shown the door so it's hard to have patience developing a QB in that type of environment.

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3 minutes ago, strato said:

It takes time. Brady was talking about the colleges dropping the ball.

Brady is wrong. College coaches' jobs are to win college football games not develop NFL players. For the past couple of decades the college game has been the driver of innovation in the game. The new "pro style offense" is basically a college offense with additional layers of complexity. It's a lot more similar to a college offense than the traditional pro style offense.

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I think everyone in the NFL is constantly in win now mode.  No patience or vision will ever get enough rope to develop if it doesn’t work in the first couple years.  Beyond that, NFL maturity and situation make a ton of difference.  Geno, Baker and Darnold are great examples of being better than their reputation under different coaches and situations.

It has to start with being an outlier athlete first though.  You can’t coach size and speed into someone.

 

 

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Field Yates on the ESPN podcast agreed the NFL teams are not giving quarterbacks more than half each season to prove they’re good.  If they don’t, they’re already ready to move on. It’s ridiculous.  We will see more quarterbacks resurrecting their careers with other teams in the future.  I am not quite sure the reason, but we are living in a world of instant gratification.

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