With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

[tukafan21]

36 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I can't answer your question because I can't see us taking a non QB #1.

 

If we talking #2 pick then I could answer your question.

 

You can't make me answer something that I don't believe will happen. But if it makes you feel better I would probably take Hunter #1 over Tmac just because he's higher on my list of prospects. 

So let me get this straight....

You're not okay with taking a non QB at #1

You think there are 2 Elite QBs in this class

But you're okay taking a non QB at #2, despite your above belief?

You're just proving my point in that you don't actually think there are 2 Elite QB's as much as you just don't like the idea of not taking a QB if drafting 1st overall.  

So again, argue for a QB all you want because you like the player, but taking a player at a position solely because of the draft slot is not the way to build a successful franchise.  I could respect you saying you'd take Hunter over taking a QB just because it's the #1 pick.

I'd still disagree, because I think Hunter is a CB in the NFL and I'm not taking a CB over a WR anywhere in the Top 5 of the draft when we already have Horn and need a true outside #1 WR.  But again, I'd at least respect that decision over the QB just because of the position and draft slot.

Edited November 2 by tukafan21

[CamWhoaaCam]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Again, mock drafts are trying to predict what will happen and QB's are always over mocked even in a down QB year because teams tend to draft them. 

Thank you for saying what I have been trying to explain to you all day.

 

QB's are always over mocked! You said it i said it. So why are you denying Sanders/Ward going #1 is a legit possibility.

 

 

It's because they are QBs and they will likely be the first prospects off the board regardless of talent. Thank you for finally agreeing with my point.

 

 

[CamWhoaaCam]

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So let me get this straight....

You're not okay with taking a non QB at #1

You think there are 2 Elite QBs in this class

But you're okay taking a non QB at #2, despite your above belief?

You're just proving my point in that you don't actually think there are 2 Elite QB's as much as you just don't like the idea of not taking a QB if drafting 1st overall.  

So again, argue for a QB all you want because you like the player, but taking a player at a position solely because of the draft slot is not the way to build a successful franchise.  I could respect you saying you'd take Hunter over taking a QB just because it's the #1 pick.

I'd still disagree, because I think Hunter is a CB in the NFL and I'm not taking a CB over a WR anywhere in the Top 5 of the draft when we already have Horn and need a true outside #1 WR.  But again, I'd at least respect that decision over the QB just because of the position and draft slot.

I have Ward #4 on my prospects list.

 

My top 4 in order are Sanders/Hunter/Tmac/Ward

 

If we have the #2 pick and Sanders is off the board I'm taking Hunter at #2.

 

Do you understand now? I'm trying to dumb this down the best way possible, but you keep not understanding. I have been saying this the entire time.

 

Again so you won't keep asking my top 4 in order are Sanders/Hunter/Tmac/Ward. 

[tukafan21]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Thank you for saying what I have been trying to explain to you all day.

 

QB's are always over mocked! You said it i said it. So why are you denying Sanders/Ward going #1 is a legit possibility.

 

 

It's because they are QBs and they will likely be the first prospects off the board regardless of talent. Thank you for finally agreeing with my point.

 

 

This response is absolutely and utterly insane, I've literally this same thing out multiple times in previous posts about mock drafts, like a bunch of times.

I've never once denied it's a possibility of them going #1, I've just said that I wouldn't take them there.

And YET AGAIN, you're proving that you don't believe they are elite QB prospects, you literally just said "first prospects off the board REGARDLESS OF TALENT"

It's literally what I've been saying this whole time, these QB's don't have the draft grades to deserve that pick.  They're only being mocked there because mocks are trying to predict the draft, not saying who deserves to be drafted where.  

Dude, this is exactly why I question your reading comprehension skills.  You keep trying to say you got me with something, but in those exact posts you're just proving my points, the literal opposite of catching me in some lie or moment of ignorance.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I have Ward #4 on my prospects list.

 

My top 4 in order are Sanders/Hunter/Tmac/Ward

 

If we have the #2 pick and Sanders is off the board I'm taking Hunter at #2.

 

Do you understand now? I'm trying to dumb this down the best way possible, but you keep not understanding. I have been saying this the entire time.

 

Again so you won't keep asking my top 4 in order are Sanders/Hunter/Tmac/Ward. 

Okay, so answer this one then, since you said you can't answer something you don't think will happen......

You have said numerous times in the past that even though you want them, you don't think Deion will allow us to take his son or Hunter.

You then taking Ward #1 over T-Mac just because he's the QB?

[CamWhoaaCam]

16 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Okay, so answer this one then, since you said you can't answer something you don't think will happen......

You have said numerous times in the past that even though you want them, you don't think Deion will allow us to take his son or Hunter.

You then taking Ward #1 over T-Mac just because he's the QB?

Yep that's exactly what I would do.

 

If we stay at #1 take the QB. I have said this the entire time. If Sanders doesn't want to play here listen to whoever wants to trade up and select him. If the offer is great then take the offer.

[tukafan21]

21 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yep that's exactly what I would do.

 

If we stay at #1 take the QB. I have said this the entire time. If Sanders doesn't want to play here listen to whoever wants to trade up and select him. If the offer is great then take the offer.

Fine, then how about this

We end up at #1 with the Raiders at #2, Shedeur explodes into an elite prospect but Deion won't allow us to take Shedeur, we bluff someone else trading up to #1 for Shedeur and Deion convinces them to give us #2, along with multiple 1sts and 2nds.  We then pull a Texans from last year and flip those extra Raiders picks and whatever else it takes to trade into #3 with whoever has it to have back to back picks.

We then take Ward #2, T-Mac #3, everybody happy.

Yes, this is 99% joking, but honestly, it's not exactly impossible to happen if Shedeur did explode by the draft and Deion did that.

[Donald LaFell]

If they can keep the O-line together and healthy then I think a QB at #1 is an ok choice but then that probably puts pressure on the FO to go heavy on the offense again. Either way it’s a long process. 

[Aussie Tank]

That whole argument hurt my brain. QBs bust all the time and WRs aren’t a sure thing either. And if teams have a close enough draft grade and they need a QB even if the grade is lower they will take the QB 

[strato]

Get a room.

[Jon Snow]

This argument is a moot point because the Panthers are going defense in the 1st.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Your options are QB or trade down. I can see the argument for both of those options, but staying at 1 and picking a non-QB is a disaster. You sacrifice an absurd amount of value.

You can only trade down a few spots if you still want to stay in that top elite player range. Probably end up still getting the guy you would have taken at 1 anyway. Staying put at 1 and going with a non-QB seems like such a fugup that it shouldn't even be considered an option. So that's probably what the Panthers will do.