With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

[CPF4LIFE]

7 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I just tried a few mock draft simulators and this is the only way lol. Nothing else makes sense. 

Agreed. There will be a lot of talent available 

 

[tukafan21]

30 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Why do people act like we have only one pick in the draft or something? It's strange....The offense needs a QB, the defense needs MULTIPLE talent any position. You aren't gonna fix anything with one player and there is no hutchinson, peppers, donald, watt type in this draft. I say if you need a qb get one then go defense the rest of the way. 

Because there's also not a QB that deserves to go #1 right now either.

Missing on a QB in the Top 10 is a franchise killer.  Missing on a QB at #1 when you just missed on a QB at #1 two years prior after trading a haul to get the pick, is unimaginably bad.

At this point my argument against a QB is also less about my desire of drafting T-Mac and just that it's not the year for anyone to take a QB #1, let alone a team devoid of talent in general as we are.  

That very well could end up changing come draft time, but I just don't think any of the QB's this year are that type of prospect where a team like ours can take the chance on them.  We need to draft someone who is 100% going to pan out, and none of these QB's are going to end up like that by draft day.

[Jackie Lee]

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Because there's also not a QB that deserves to go #1 right now either.

Missing on a QB in the Top 10 is a franchise killer.  Missing on a QB at #1 when you just missed on a QB at #1 two years prior after trading a haul to get the pick, is unimaginably bad.

At this point my argument against a QB is also less about my desire of drafting T-Mac and just that it's not the year for anyone to take a QB #1, let alone a team devoid of talent in general as we are.  

That very well could end up changing come draft time, but I just don't think any of the QB's this year are that type of prospect where a team like ours can take the chance on them.  We need to draft someone who is 100% going to pan out, and none of these QB's are going to end up like that by draft day.

Have you actually looked at the available top talent outside of Hunter, Sanders, and Ward? If so could you list viable options at #1 aside from those 3? I can't find any

[tukafan21]

39 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Have you actually looked at the available top talent outside of Hunter, Sanders, and Ward? If so could you list viable options at #1 aside from those 3? I can't find any

Tetairoa McMillan.  

The last 28 1st overall picks were either a QB, DE, or OT.

Seeing as I don't think we'd take an OT in the 1st and give up on Ickey as an LT yet and there doesn't seem to be a clear overall #1 type of QB or DE pick this year, it very well could be a non conventional #1 overall this year, at least in regards from the last almost 3 decades of drafts.

If we didn't have Horn, I'd be more open to Hunter as a CB at #1, but we have him so another CB wouldn't be how I'd use a #1 pick.  And as much as I love Legette, if we have SB contending aspirations, I don't think Legette is a #1 on a team like that, but he damn sure is an elite #2 on a team like that.  He's more of the Smith/Higgins/Waddle to Brown/Chase/Hill (in terms of role/impact, not style of play of course).

T-Mac is going to be the top ranked WR on every team's board in the end.  He is going to be a true outside #1 WR who is viewed as a consensus Top 5 WR in the game by his second contract in the same way guys like Jefferson and Chase have done.  His height combined with his speed, athleticism, and hands are near impossible to find all in one player, there is a reason his generally used comp is Mike Evans (although as he's not as thick, I personally see him more as an AJ Green).

Yes, as an Arizona alum I've admitted to having bias towards the player to begin with.  But he's also someone very widely being put into the Top 5 in mock drafts lately and most of them have him as the first non QB offensive player being taken, so it's not really THAT much of a homer pick on my part anyways.

If a QB or DE truly separate themselves as being a can't miss prospect come draft day, I'm open to that discussion, but until then, or if it doesn't happen, T-Mac is my pick 100 times out of 100.

Edited 13 hours ago by tukafan21

[ProcessBlue2]

I wouldn't take OT away either. Next year is probably Moton's last season with us. Now, I doubt we fill it in the 1st round, but they could always slide Ickey over and draft a true LT.

[JRoCK]

we need a generational player so we can trade them in 3 years for 2nd round pick I hate our front office. Where is dave gettleman when you need him.  

[Ricky Prickles]

5 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Tetairoa McMillan.  

The last 28 1st overall picks were either a QB, DE, or OT.

Seeing as I don't think we'd take an OT in the 1st and give up on Ickey as an LT yet and there doesn't seem to be a clear overall #1 type of QB or DE pick this year, it very well could be a non conventional #1 overall this year, at least in regards from the last almost 3 decades of drafts.

If we didn't have Horn, I'd be more open to Hunter as a CB at #1, but we have him so another CB wouldn't be how I'd use a #1 pick.  And as much as I love Legette, if we have SB contending aspirations, I don't think Legette is a #1 on a team like that, but he damn sure is an elite #2 on a team like that.  He's more of the Smith/Higgins/Waddle to Brown/Chase/Hill (in terms of role/impact, not style of play of course).

T-Mac is going to be the top ranked WR on every team's board in the end.  He is going to be a true outside #1 WR who is viewed as a consensus Top 5 WR in the game by his second contract in the same way guys like Jefferson and Chase have done.  His height combined with his speed, athleticism, and hands are near impossible to find all in one player, there is a reason his generally used comp is Mike Evans (although as he's not as thick, I personally see him more as an AJ Green).

Yes, as an Arizona alum I've admitted to having bias towards the player to begin with.  But he's also someone very widely being put into the Top 5 in mock drafts lately and most of them have him as the first non QB offensive player being taken, so it's not really THAT much of a homer pick on my part anyways.

If a QB or DE truly separate themselves as being a can't miss prospect come draft day, I'm open to that discussion, but until then, or if it doesn't happen, T-Mac is my pick 100 times out of 100.

I like him too and he is definitely worthy of a top pick but I personally just worry that we have nobody to throw him the ball. Bryce is incapable and Dalton is old and will be even older next season. If we go TMAC, then we must sign a proven vet QB. People may not like the idea but I like Jameis Winston for that role next season just because he can and will throw it all over the field. If he could get a d keep the ints down he would look very solid most games.

[HPPantherzfan]

3 hours ago, Ricky Prickles said:

I like him too and he is definitely worthy of a top pick but I personally just worry that we have nobody to throw him the ball. Bryce is incapable and Dalton is old and will be even older next season. If we go TMAC, then we must sign a proven vet QB. People may not like the idea but I like Jameis Winston for that role next season just because he can and will throw it all over the field. If he could get a d keep the ints down he would look very solid most games.

This is what I’ve been saying as well, I like T-Mac…ALLOT!  The problem is a WR is nothing if he can’t get the ball in his hands to make plays.  T-Mac and /or Hunter would be a waste on this team right now.  We either have to take another swing at a QB or we have to go D

Edited 4 hours ago by HPPantherzfan

[TD alt]

9 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Tetairoa McMillan.  

The last 28 1st overall picks were either a QB, DE, or OT.

Seeing as I don't think we'd take an OT in the 1st and give up on Ickey as an LT yet and there doesn't seem to be a clear overall #1 type of QB or DE pick this year, it very well could be a non conventional #1 overall this year, at least in regards from the last almost 3 decades of drafts.

If we didn't have Horn, I'd be more open to Hunter as a CB at #1, but we have him so another CB wouldn't be how I'd use a #1 pick.  And as much as I love Legette, if we have SB contending aspirations, I don't think Legette is a #1 on a team like that, but he damn sure is an elite #2 on a team like that.  He's more of the Smith/Higgins/Waddle to Brown/Chase/Hill (in terms of role/impact, not style of play of course).

T-Mac is going to be the top ranked WR on every team's board in the end.  He is going to be a true outside #1 WR who is viewed as a consensus Top 5 WR in the game by his second contract in the same way guys like Jefferson and Chase have done.  His height combined with his speed, athleticism, and hands are near impossible to find all in one player, there is a reason his generally used comp is Mike Evans (although as he's not as thick, I personally see him more as an AJ Green).

Yes, as an Arizona alum I've admitted to having bias towards the player to begin with.  But he's also someone very widely being put into the Top 5 in mock drafts lately and most of them have him as the first non QB offensive player being taken, so it's not really THAT much of a homer pick on my part anyways.

If a QB or DE truly separate themselves as being a can't miss prospect come draft day, I'm open to that discussion, but until then, or if it doesn't happen, T-Mac is my pick 100 times out of 100.

Arizona alum, eh. Now I get it