Tepper and Canales' Monday morning meeting

[mrcompletely11]

15 hours ago, Johnstonny said:

Frank Reich is prolly chuckling ...

We all owe him a collective apology 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

We all owe him a collective apology 

He lost the staff and locker room. I know there were things out of his control, but he pretty much gave up. I do miss the screens to AT, even when he is on the bench. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

He lost the staff and locker room. I know there were things out of his control, but he pretty much gave up. I do miss the screens to AT, even when he is on the bench. 

well, if he was forced by the owner to do X.....he sort of lost the locker room by ownership design. 

Almost feels talked about.  I do think Tepper painfully learns some lessons.  And Canales basically came out after week 2 and said one of the reasons he had to bench Bryce is because of how the rest of the team would view it. 

[strato]

Reich got steamrolled. Tepper shoved a totally overwhelmed project into his lap and said make it work by September. Impossible.

I am not unhappy with Canales like so many people are, but considering the anger I believe even more that we should have kept Wilks as HC as a bridge. 

Couple of years to instill some discipline and toughness back into the team, discreetly find their ideal HC to marry to a new QB, he'd probably have gone for that. 

[pantherclaw]

22 hours ago, CRA said:

well, we know all NFL owners don't meet with their coaches every Monday morning after every game.  A super hands on owner like Tepper does.  And that is universally deemed his biggest flaw as an owner.  Inserting himself too much into the actual football aspect of things. 

I know its easy to pile on to Tepper. 

I wouldn't want an Owner that didn't meet weekly with the head coach and GM when their team sucks this damn bad. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

10 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I know its easy to pile on to Tepper. 

I wouldn't want an Owner that didn't meet weekly with the head coach and GM when their team sucks this damn bad. 

But Tepper is a big part of why this team.sucks this bad. He's openly stated he forces his opinion throughout the front office. What is he bringing to the table other than a worthless football opinion? 

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I know its easy to pile on to Tepper. 

I wouldn't want an Owner that didn't meet weekly with the head coach and GM when their team sucks this damn bad. 

Tepper is inserting himself and having the Monday meetings before we even officially suck.  So it’s not a weekly meeting because coaches sucked. 

[mrcompletely11]

29 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I know its easy to pile on to Tepper. 

I wouldn't want an Owner that didn't meet weekly with the head coach and GM when their team sucks this damn bad. 

and how exactly is that helping?

[HaricotVert]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

and how exactly is that helping?

and how is it hurting?

 

like I conceded, there are a lot of reasons we suck.  Coaches, players, and yes ownership.

 

But trying to turn this meeting into the THE reason is silly.

 

Lets talk about players that are more interested in trying to be Ronnie Lott than executing good tackling technique?

Or what the hell is going on with our training staff that has so many of our guys in street clothes?

Or how have we squandered so many draft picks and missed on so many more?

 

 

Tepper meeting with his coach and wanting answers to the level of questioning play calls is a long way down the list of reasons we suck.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

and how is it hurting?

 

like I conceded, there are a lot of reasons we suck.  Coaches, players, and yes ownership.

 

But trying to turn this meeting into the THE reason is silly.

 

Lets talk about players that are more interested in trying to be Ronnie Lott than executing good tackling technique?

Or what the hell is going on with our training staff that has so many of our guys in street clothes?

Or how have we squandered so many draft picks and missed on so many more?

 

 

Tepper meeting with his coach and wanting answers to the level of questioning play calls is a long way down the list of reasons we suck.

I would imagine the added pressure would make you do crazy poo like going for it 4x on 4rth down and poo like fake punts. 

[ForJimmy]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

well, if he was forced by the owner to do X.....he sort of lost the locker room by ownership design. 

Almost feels talked about.  I do think Tepper painfully learns some lessons.  And Canales basically came out after week 2 and said one of the reasons he had to bench Bryce is because of how the rest of the team would view it. 

Maybe he didn't realize what he signed up for, but the man straight up gave up.  Yeah he was in a tough spot but he was given a lot of cash to attempt to do a job he wasn't really interested in doing after a game or two.  You have the players give up on you and you can't keep your job.  

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Maybe he didn't realize what he signed up for, but the man straight up gave up.  Yeah he was in a tough spot but he was given a lot of cash to attempt to do a job he wasn't really interested in doing after a game or two.  You have the players give up on you and you can't keep your job.  

He gave up because he wanted to bench bryce but was overrode by tepper.  Kindof the plan this year with Dave but Tepper seems to be on board with it.  If I knew young needed to sit but the owner wanted him to keep playing but it was a lesson in futility whats the other option?  Reich knew Young was a bust probably around the jets joint practices I would imagine. 

 

Also factor in Tepper hired a bunch of dudes that Reich didnt know (want) and they went bitch mode crying to tepper during the season.

 

Reich had no chance and this is from someone who didnt want him hired in the first place

[strato]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Maybe he didn't realize what he signed up for, but the man straight up gave up.  Yeah he was in a tough spot but he was given a lot of cash to attempt to do a job he wasn't really interested in doing after a game or two.  You have the players give up on you and you can't keep your job.  

Money is money. Reich wasn’t broke when he took the gig. I doubt he was. 
At a point, money stops being what mattered.  
 

Someone fuging you over and changing the rules in the middle of the game, tends to obscure the reason you want to be there. At some point your only hope of relief is to force them to fire you. 

I don’t know what happened but have the big guess that number one they forced Bryce on him and took all the fun out of it right there. Then forced him to keep playing him when he needed to not be on the field. 
I’d be wanting out too. 

[ForJimmy]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

He gave up because he wanted to bench bryce but was overrode by tepper.  Kindof the plan this year with Dave but Tepper seems to be on board with it.  If I knew young needed to sit but the owner wanted him to keep playing but it was a lesson in futility whats the other option?  Reich knew Young was a bust probably around the jets joint practices I would imagine. 

 

Also factor in Tepper hired a bunch of dudes that Reich didnt know (want) and they went bitch mode crying to tepper during the season.

 

Reich had no chance and this is from someone who didnt want him hired in the first place

Reich agreed to the staff and it's one of the reasons he got the job over Wilks.  Also Duce Staley was a Reich hire and he is one of the main ones who went behind his back in frustration (yeah a vet assistant coach that he picked was frustrated at him.  Doesn't really sound like he is innocent to me).  I'm not giving the man a pass for failing miserable at a job he signed up for.  Roll out Bryce, do some presnap shifts, do some run heavy offense with play action in there.  He kept it predictable and boring to the tune of defenses knowing the exact routes.  Yeah Bryce limits the offense, but go out swinging.  Reich was just collecting his check and the players (and some staff) knew it.