Tepper and Canales' Monday morning meeting

[Jon Snow]

Just now, strato said:

You quoted me but I am not really sure why this thought relates to what I was saying - but I do get that that is the reality of fielding a team on Sunday. 

 

I'm not sure why either. I had too many thoughts running through my head at the time. Nevermind,  carry on.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Might as well play Plummer. Red Rocket is NFL old and if Plummer is any way capable as a back up, you can move on from Andy at the end of the season. 

It appears Canales is not ready to make that switch just yet. I think it's going to take an injury for that to happen. I agree that it couldn't possibly be worse but I think Canales feels differently. 

[strato]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Why are we assuming these are negative, beat down meetings? Reich talked about getting chewed out last season. Perhaps Tepper has learned from that experience. Plus he can't really fire Canales anytime soon so he has to take a different approach. These meetings could just be a discussion on the plan and players, and status updates. He has a right to want to be informed. Doesn't necessarily mean he's forcing decisions and direction. 

There are some things you can’t discuss rationally. Like don’t don’t discuss Bryce with me in terms of his future being here as Panthers QB. I won’t hear it.
 

With others it is the meeting. The thought that an owner might want to know what is happening and how it’s going. Because the suggestion or an inflection in a statement transforms it into instructions from the boss. And that is meddling. More or less. 

I have two minds on it. The first is that if I own a company I ask whoever I want whatever I want. In the interest of being informed. The second is, the owner needs to stay the hell out of telling the coach to switch to the 3/4 or what QB to take and who to start and who to draft and all that.  

[Navy_football]

6 minutes ago, strato said:

There are some things you can’t discuss rationally. Like don’t don’t discuss Bryce with me in terms of his future being here as Panthers QB. I won’t hear it.
 

With others it is the meeting. The thought that an owner might want to know what is happening and how it’s going. Because the suggestion or an inflection in a statement transforms it into instructions from the boss. And that is meddling. More or less. 

I have two minds on it. The first is that if I own a company I ask whoever I want whatever I want. In the interest of being informed. The second is, the owner needs to stay the hell out of telling the coach to switch to the 3/4 or what QB to take and who to start and who to draft and all that.  

Bryce is such a polarizing figure. I won't get into a discussion about his future any longer. Personally think he needs to show more, but he has to play to do that - just my opinion. 

As far as Tepper goes... inspect what you expect. I don't think he needs to just sit in the box and sign checks. He could/should have input. I don't think he should override his guys, but he should force them to think and consider every option. 

[strato]

8 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce is such a polarizing figure. I won't get into a discussion about his future any longer. Personally think he needs to show more, but he has to play to do that - just my opinion. 

As far as Tepper goes... inspect what you expect. I don't think he needs to just sit in the box and sign checks. He could/should have input. I don't think he should override his guys, but he should force them to think and consider every option. 

Yeah I am usually reasonable on hearing different perspectives. I have had enough of Young and his impacting the Panthers. Just make it stop. 
But I don’t really object to the meetings (I am not sure I’d personally require a weekly appointment, just open lines where I can have a question answered or something explained).

At the same time, I am not a Tepper fan in any way. I don’t even remember when that turned, it was so long ago now. Of course I was thinking originally, cool - billionaire owner, money will flow.  Then I got more of a taste of it. I wish he had bought a different team. I hate what he has done to mine. 

Edited October 29 by strato

[SmokinwithWilly]

37 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Bryce is such a polarizing figure. I won't get into a discussion about his future any longer. Personally think he needs to show more, but he has to play to do that - just my opinion. 

As far as Tepper goes... inspect what you expect. I don't think he needs to just sit in the box and sign checks. He could/should have input. I don't think he should override his guys, but he should force them to think and consider every option. 

Realistically what options could he force them to consider? Tepper doesn't know football. That's like me giving advice to a heart surgeon on the best way to operate. You have to know your limitations and by all indicators we've seen, Dave does not. 

[Waldo]

 

Watch the less than 2 minuet clip. He says he talks with Tepper multiple times per week and that there are different kinds of ownership. Please stop making excuses for those meetings. Yes ownership gets a lot passed by them for obvious reasons but that set up that Frank describes is just flat out a meddling ownership. 'He is not going to sit idly by'.

If it was working then that's one thing. It's clearly not and yet they keep doing it, even after all the PR on him being more hands off. 

Edited October 29 by Waldo

[SmokinwithWilly]

9 minutes ago, Waldo said:

 

Watch the less than 2 minuet clip. He says he talks with Tepper multiple times per week and that there are different kinds of ownership. Please stop making excuses for those meetings. Yes ownership gets a lot passed by them for obvious reasons but that set up that Frank describes is just flat out a meddling ownership. 'He is not going to sit idly by'.

If it was working then that's one thing. It's clearly not and yet they keep doing it, even after all the PR on him being more hands off. 

Also worth noting he said Dave is constantly churning things. We've seen it at the QB position. He wants an instant return and the only thing we're getting is a bunch of junk bonds. 

[strato]

But here is the thing about these meetings that isn't being acknowledged: the guy doesn't need weekly meetings to meddle. 

If he wants to meddle, he simply sends for the coach and meddles. Or goes and finds the coach and meddles. Easy. So really, probably don't need to sweat the meetings themselves. Which could potentially be productive, actually. 

There is context which is Tepper, at the time Reich speaks, is uneducated by the events of the months that have followed, and may now understand that obsessing over not winning and why his prize little soldier was so impotent, was probably brought on by grief and he was in the denial stage. 

People do learn, sometimes. I just hope he has. I haven't seen but a hint or two of meddling - with the late game Bryce appearances, and I suppose that may not even be a direct result of meddling. 

 

[Waldo]

30 minutes ago, strato said:

But here is the thing about these meetings that isn't being acknowledged: the guy doesn't need weekly meetings to meddle. 

If he wants to meddle, he simply sends for the coach and meddles. Or goes and finds the coach and meddles. Easy. So really, probably don't need to sweat the meetings themselves. Which could potentially be productive, actually. 

There is context which is Tepper, at the time Reich speaks, is uneducated by the events of the months that have followed, and may now understand that obsessing over not winning and why his prize little soldier was so impotent, was probably brought on by grief and he was in the denial stage. 

People do learn, sometimes. I just hope he has. I haven't seen but a hint or two of meddling - with the late game Bryce appearances, and I suppose that may not even be a direct result of meddling. 

 

You are describing scheduled beginning of the work week meetings and addition meetings in the week in the bolded part ironically...

Watch the clip and ask yourself if that guy meeting with Tepper doesn't have to worry. Also what could be productive about having to waste time explaining the basics of the game when he could be prepping for the next game, especially after so many loses? Again if it was a major trade or contract then absolutley get the big blessing. Making a general update on the state of things also completely expected. Whatever they are doing isn't work, like we can agree on that? These meetings have not produced much good since he got more hands on in 2020?

A lot of the issue with it stems from how a hedge fund is run vs an NFL team. Lots of big money sure but the actual operations and management are not that similar IMO. If he is running it like his hedge fund, and it sure sounds that way, then this team is going to remain a dumpster fire for a lot longer.

[strato]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

You are describing scheduled beginning of the work week meetings and addition meetings in the week in the bolded part ironically...

Watch the clip and ask yourself if that guy meeting with Tepper doesn't have to worry. Also what could be productive about having to waste time explaining the basics of the game when he could be prepping for the next game, especially after so many loses? Again if it was a major trade or contract then absolutley get the big blessing. Making a general update on the state of things also completely expected. Whatever they are doing isn't work, like we can agree on that? These meetings have not produced much good since he got more hands on in 2020?

A lot of the issue with it stems from how a hedge fund is run vs an NFL team. Lots of big money sure but the actual operations and management are not that similar IMO. If he is running it like his hedge fund, and it sure sounds that way, then this team is going to remain a dumpster fire for a lot longer.

Bro my point stands. Tepper can meddle any time he wants. He does not need a meeting. That is my point. 

Along with the hope he has chilled. 

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, strato said:

Bro my point stands. Tepper can meddle any time he wants. He does not need a meeting. That is my point. 

Along with the hope he has chilled. 

LOL he makes a meeting to meddle and then still meets with them at other times in the week per Frank, well the 'meetings'. It's not like some hypothetical. That's my point. 

I wish he would chill but given what we are seeing and hearing it does not sound that way. Again, that's not who Tepper is and that isn't how he does his thing. 

[electro's horse]

The argument lines about Teppers role in the team always expose to me who has and hasn’t worked in a corporate environment. 

An overbearing manager/owner with a poorly defined org chart is just an awful, inefficient, soul crushing place to work. 

I’ve worked for a few companies now. My current employer is basically the healthcare equivalent of the corporation from robocop but my god at least it’s competently managed and I know who my direct report is and I know they have at least baseline qualifications. 

Carolina must be absolutely miserable to work for right now, top to bottom. 

[electro's horse]

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Edited October 29 by electro's horse