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Dave Canales is one and done.... part 2.

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Just now, ChibCU said:

Canales was given canned corned beef and anchovies and y'all are asking why he's not plating Michelin-star surf and turf?

This roster is the worst I've ever seen as a Panthers fan.

bolonga.   Canales was given the most expensive OL in the entire NFL and they are dang good overall on the season.   That's the engine to any offense.  It's a good one. 

Canales is an O guy.  Forget the D, and forget winning. D talent stinks and you can't win with it.  That was a decision Canales and company made.   We are supposed to be judging the O.  Not giving it a pass because certain aspect stink by design.  The O isn't supposed to be this bad.  

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7 minutes ago, CRA said:

bolonga.   Canales was given the most expensive OL in the entire NFL and they are dang good overall on the season.   That's the engine to any offense.  It's a good one. 

Canales is an O guy.  Forget the D, and forget winning. D talent stinks and you can't win with it.  That was a decision Canales and company made.   We are supposed to be judging the O.  Not giving it a pass because certain aspect stink by design.  The O isn't supposed to be this bad.  

Yes we have a good o-line. We also are the team that earned the #1 overall pick last year and didn't receive any benefit for that earned position. This is a dumpster fire organization with no culture, consistency, and purpose. This takes time to fix.

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2 hours ago, CRA said:

LITERALLY, the primary reason an iffy hire was justified.....is he was pimped as a QB guru who could "fix" Bryce.   He gave us the worst version of Bryce and gave up on that 2 weeks in.   

So once you remove that from the equation, we literally just hired someone unqualified to be a HC  and no reason to hang your hat on the why.  1 year as a very meh OC in reality is his resume.   And he is being exactly that here. 

Forget the D, forget winning. You give a good O coach THIS OL....and they find better and more consistent offense than Canales.  He stinks. I don't care who the QB is.  

I don't support firing him after 1 season but I think this is fair.

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I don't support firing him after 1 season but I think this is fair.

He's be dealt a worse hand than Rhule and Reich and that's saying somthing, at a certain point you can't just keep firing coaches we are at that point.... I want to see what he can do with his pick at QB.

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I do  not think we should fire Canales. Not because of the job he has done. The question becomes who would we hire? Or better yet, who would want to be the HC here. 

 

Although, using the Houston Texans as an example. Prior to Demeco Ryans they had two "stopgap" HC's the two years prior to hiring Demeco. They had David Culley (2021) and Lovie Smith (2022). It is very similar to the QB in that nobody cares about all the guys that didn't work once you find THE GUY THAT DOES. Now I don't think that method of thinking will work for us, especially since we hired a guy with minimal experience knowing that we will have to give him time to develop into his position.

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11 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I don't support firing him after 1 season but I think this is fair.

I'm not saying you fire him...but you certainly should be judging him on the O side....and it's not good. 

So if you do bring him back and he didn't show anything? Well, you don't draft a QB #1 overall.  You give him a year 2.  You invest in a defense.  You make him show you something.  If he can't in year 2 with a vet QB then you move on and let the new guy draft a QB.  

We sort of off track now.  Frank in theory should be getting the can w/ Bryce this year. Canales hasn't shown enough to let him use that #1 on a QB IMO. 

 

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9 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm not saying you fire him...but you certainly should be judging him on the O side....and it's not good. 

So if you do bring him back and he didn't show anything? Well, you don't draft a QB #1 overall.  You give him a year 2.  You invest in a defense.  You make him show you something.  If he can't in year 2 with a vet QB then you move on and let the new guy draft a QB.  

We sort of off track now.  Frank in theory should be getting the can w/ Bryce this year. Canales hasn't shown enough to let him use that #1 on a QB IMO. 

 

The bigger indictment on Canales this season has honestly been what Coen has been able to do in TB with a near identical offense personnel wise (minus a few parts).

That’s a legit offensive coordinator. Not saying Canales can’t be but it’s been a rough go no doubt. Thought he’d be scheming some guys open a bit better than what we’ve seen. I don’t know if he was playing it safe for Bryce or what, but it was crazy how many plays were non-pocket reads, trying to get someone the ball quickly in space (but with no motion/pre snap work to he’ll get the defense off balance.

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LITERALLY, the primary reason an iffy hire was justified.....is he was pimped as a QB guru who could "fix" Bryce.   He gave us the worst version of Bryce and gave up on that 2 weeks in.   

So once you remove that from the equation, we literally just hired someone unqualified to be a HC  and no reason to hang your hat on the why.  1 year as a very meh OC in reality is his resume.   And he is being exactly that here. 

Forget the D, forget winning. You give a good O coach THIS OL....and they find better and more consistent offense than Canales.  He stinks. I don't care who the QB is.  

Two years almost of stressing over the idiot plan to take Bryce Young and make him successful.... I have a real short fuse anymore. There is no plan to advance the team this year without Bryce being the central part of it. Never was. That failed and people hate watching it. 

The QB whisperer stuff is media created in the first place. This narrative that he was primarily hired to fix Bryce... you have to believe he was fixable to really buy into that. He isn't. But any one coming had to play along. Anyone. 

As far as Canales, he has never fixed a rookie type anyway but people make that the focus. He worked Baker with a few years in already and actual skins on the wall. Puny skin but still he had put that on the record. In the NFL. Geno, was definitely not a rookie.

That is actually where Canales has a track record, such as it is. So I mean, it isn't just a one dimensional proposition of fix Bryce. Shouldn't have been. There had to be, in the hiring process - in any rational mind, a thought to Bryce not being fixable. Because he isn't. And what comes next. Who is the next Baker or Geno. And that is where we are. I hope. Otherwise we get more dysfunction and turmoil. fug that. 

 

He had the balls to sit little man down in the first place and I appreciate that.

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1 minute ago, PantherChris said:

Hoping this is sarcasm because there is no "fixing" Bryce... I'm pretty sure he would still suck in the 49ers and Dolphins offenses that are loaded and short pass friendly.

Tepper literally brought him in to fix Bryce because he had success with Geno and Baker. 

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