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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We have next to no actual NFL caliber talent. poo, most of it is in the OL room.

Fill out a legit NFL roster over the next few offseasons. That's the way to turn this around.

Nah, we will draft another promising QB in April with a top 5 pick and ruin the poor guy's career.  Tepper can't help himself.

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2 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

Of course they need to evaluate it and they obviously will. I don’t make the decisions, I just have an opinion and I’m not sold on any of these QBs. Maybe that changes as we get further in the process. All I’m saying is if you don’t have conviction in a QB this team needs to go defense. If they don’t have conviction they can’t be drafting a QB just to do it.

Fair enough. I agree.

As far as having conviction ehhh I'm not sold on our evaluators and decision makers at all. Morgan still has a ton to prove IMO.

We just need to draft good football players regardless of position and stop the RAS score obsession.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

Oh we did. He was supposed to be our new starting QB. He was a level of shell shocked that made David Carr look calm and composed. It was wild.

I’ll take your word for it, I remember Collins having buzz, Buerlein had buzz and then a whole lotta jags until Jake popped up.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We have next to no actual NFL caliber talent. poo, most of it is in the OL room.

Fill out a legit NFL roster over the next few offseasons. That's the way to turn this around.

Hubbard is certainly ok, and Brooks might be.  We actually aren't bad (when healthy) at WR, but I guess Thielen and Johnson might be gone.  XL could be good, and Coker I think is ok.  We desperately need a tight end and better qb play though.

Defensively, I agree.  We need major talent upgrades.  

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1 minute ago, frankw said:

Fair enough. I agree.

As far as having conviction ehhh I'm not sold on our evaluators and decision makers at all. Morgan still has a ton to prove IMO.

We just need to draft good football players regardless of position and stop the RAS score obsession.

Morgan deserves the benefit of the doubt for now. He has made some good decisions with the guards and thus far it looks like we have some draft hits as well.

Skepticism with this team is fair though. At this point we need proof of concept before handing out any flowers to anyone.

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    • 1) Signed 2 high profile guards to big contracts. Did we need guards? Yes. But there's a reason you draft guards and pay tackles. It's easier to find solid guards in the draft. Now we have the most expensive line in the league and still can't get 100 yards passing before halftime.  2) Traded up to get a RB when we didn't really need one. Chuba is one of the better RBs in the league right now and while it is a contract year, we had a crap ton of holes all over. Brooks was a luxury pick we didn't have the luxury to make. 3)Spending a small fortune to build a supporting cast for BY. Bryce didn't even put the work in himself during the offseason by his own admission. We didn't need to build an offense specifically for BY. We brought in DJ and drafted XL. These guys need a QB with a live arm. That's not BY. Speed kills but not when your QB can't legitimately make an accurate, deep ball strike without putting a ton of air under it and floating it.  4. Not looking for a true center. There were several available and it's been a position of need for years. We could have had our choice but we rolled with Corbitt, who did look good at the spot, but had an injury bug that struck again this year.  5) He didn't bring in any serious competition for Bryce. Now you can say that BY needs time to develop and we needed to show we had faith in him, blah blah blah. But the simple matter of fact is Bryce looked like a PS QB last year, Andy has one foot in the QB grave, and there was never an attempt to actually compete for the job. If he genuinely believed that BY was going to magically make it all come together watching YT and chillin for 4 months to unplug, then there's nothing else that needs to be said.  The goal of every GM should be to build a winning team. Players are commodities and loyalty leads you to an early walk out the door. We've tried to build a system to work around the most limited QB in NFL history. 60 years of history should have told him it was never going to work. And benching BY after 2 games is the real truth, he never should have been starting anyway. And either Dan should have known that as the great MLB that he was after watching BY's game tape, or someone else is making the call and Dan is just rubberstamping that decision.  Either way, doesn't matter. We're screwed because we've devoted 2 years of resources to build around a player that didn't put in the work in the off season after one of the worst NFL QB seasons ever. 
    • Something I find interesting is that you are more likely to find successful players as UDFA's than you are to find them with a single pick in any round past 3.  Those 3rd round compensatory choices?  Largely worthless.  Yes, I get it, there are a lot more UDFA's than there are drafted players in later rounds.  Basically, if you're fishing for starters you are simply not going to find anything in Rounds 4 - 7 with any regularity.
    • the argument that Dan Morgan was assistant GM for years while running counter to everything both his bosses signed off on (who look down at him and his staff for info).....is a tough sell.  I feel we do a variant of this every year.  You aren't this bad...becuase of 1 person.  You are this bad because of LOTS of bad people.  It was never just Joe Brady.  Which is why firing him didn't lead to better offense.  It was never just Matt Rhule.  It was never just Fitterer.    As bad as we are, we need to scorch Earth this puppy and quit letting people who were part of making the mess be the designed folks to lead us out of the mess.  when David Tepper and Jim Caldwell found the answer on the roster......it was clear from the jump nothing had really changed.   
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