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What would a successful game for Young look like?

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the bar for bryce is so goddamn low that i can't even trip over it.

if he went like 9/16 125 1 int you'd have threads on here screaming that he was their best option moving forward

obviously elon has turned twitter into a right wing cesspool but he must secretly be a bryce fan because all my suggested tweets are "year one bryce would cook with this roster" paired with compilation vidoes of all 7 of the nfl level throws he made in 2023. 

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The defense will force us to throw.  You have to back them off. It comes down to that, like everybody says with the deep stuff.  Just, downfield.  Legit downfield completions that force the defense to adjust.


I go to his rebuilt mechanics, the Buffalo preseason the first about ten plays of the Saints game, and then he quit and went to his tippy toe and that kind of drop back. 
He has to play an entire game without retreating into his old ways.  I think that is my bar along with the downfield completions.  

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4 minutes ago, strato said:

The defense will force us to throw.  You have to back them off. It comes down to that, like everybody says with the deep stuff.  Just, downfield.  Legit downfield completions that force the defense to adjust.


I go to his rebuilt mechanics, the Buffalo preseason the first about ten plays of the Saints game, and then he quit and went to his tippy toe and that kind of drop back. 
He has to play an entire game without retreating into his old ways.  I think that is my bar along with the downfield completions.  

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Bryce isn't a point guard after all.  He is a tiny Kareem 

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6 hours ago, CRA said:

attack 15-25 yards downfield.  Probably need about 4-5 balls completed in that range.  And it being done largely from the pocket. 

I think that would be a sign of promise.  

what we are going to see is him attacking behind the line of scrimmage to 10 yards in fetal position football with his jump passes however. 

Does not need to be done from the pocket. Stop with that archaic thinking. Plenty of QBs have made a living outside of the pocket. Routine short-intermediate throws yes. But he does not need to stand in the pocket to be successful 

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12 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Does not need to be done from the pocket. Stop with that archaic thinking. Plenty of QBs have made a living outside of the pocket. Routine short-intermediate throws yes. But he does not need to stand in the pocket to be successful 

that's no archaic thinking.  You have to be able to make plays from the pocket and attack downfield.  Cam Newton did it.  Lamar Jackson does it.  Josh Allen does it.  That doesn't mean you ONLY have to make plays from the pocket.  But you have to be able to exist in a NFL pocket and be able to threaten a D. 

Name a successful QB that hasn't been able to threaten a D from within the pocket.  

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12 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Does not need to be done from the pocket. Stop with that archaic thinking. Plenty of QBs have made a living outside of the pocket. Routine short-intermediate throws yes. But he does not need to stand in the pocket to be successful 

His best game to date against the Packers he spent most of his time planting his feet and making strikes downfield from the pocket.

Having ability outside the pocket and utilizing that as some QB's do when necessary is completely different from not being able to function within the pocket and having to move out of the pocket just to see the field.

Other than that one game Bryce has not displayed an ability to function within the pocket. Defenses know it and they play him accordingly.

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His best game to date against the Packers he spent most of his time planting his feet and making strikes downfield from the pocket.

Having ability outside the pocket and utilizing that as some QB's do when necessary is completely different from not being able to function within the pocket and having to move out of the pocket just to see the field.

Other than that one game Bryce has not displayed an ability to function within the pocket. Defenses know it and they play him accordingly.

was that a good game? Or a good quarter? 

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14 minutes ago, CRA said:

that's no archaic thinking.  You have to be able to make plays from the pocket and attack downfield.  Cam Newton did it.  Lamar Jackson does it.  Josh Allen does it.  That doesn't mean you ONLY have to make plays from the pocket.  But you have to be able to exist in a NFL pocket and be able to threaten a D. 

Name a successful QB that hasn't been able to threaten a D from within the pocket.  

Yeah if you can't operate in a pocket, defenses will seal those edges and try to make you.  Both is ideal, some can survive just in the pocket if they know how to maneuver well in it.  Brees actually excelled at that which is why he isn't a good comparison....

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13 minutes ago, CRA said:

was that a good game? Or a good quarter? 

To his credit he had a higher YPA than even Jordan Love at 8.7.  He was pushing the ball. But everything else he's done says it was a mirage. It's okay CRA we know he stinks.

Even with his size and phsyical attribute disadvantage the biggest thing is he just plays too timid overall. There's no killer instinct. The complete opposite of what you need to see from a first overall pick.

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I mean putting aside the fact that at this point any completion past the line of scrimmage from him feels like an accomplishment...

Running an offense that can move the ball down the field. On target throws to different levels downfield.  Ideally showing some playmaking ability, but also finding the open man. I don't really care about specific stats with Bryce.

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