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13 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

The game was lost on garbage defense and ineffective RBs behind one of the strongest run blocking OLs in the league. Let's stop claiming there is no commitment to the run. Dalton has been bailing the RBs and pass blocking out for 5 games.

Hubbard will never be a complete back. He is not good enough to be a power back or a 3rd down back. He's a limited change of pace RB at best who can't carry a game, and he's struggling to be consistent behind this good run game OL. Limited and flashy won't get it done in this league.

There is a commitment to the run. You're not seeing it because the defense is allowing everyone to score and the running game can't win consistently. The running game is equivalent to a 40% passing QB who turns over the ball, but makes a highlight play 1 or 2 times every drive that doesn't result in 2 or more scores a game.

yeah, zoom out and do the rest of the games too..  I mean, Canales is pretty consistent on leaning pass over the run.  Even the announcers were scratching their heads this week on the playcalling by him.  And in prior weeks Hubbard was red hot and he still went away from him.  

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3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The running game is hit and miss. It's not winning consistently. It was all TEs and RBs that couldn't win in the flats, off the edges, or between the tackles.

Wide receivers were targeted 7 times in the game for 4 touches. 

Panthers had 8 drives to work with in the game, and the game was 0-27 at halftime. The Panthers only had 2 drives in the 2nd half, and the TD drive was anchored by a 3rd down 29 yard pass by Dalton.

1st drive ended because Hubbard got 1 yard on 2nd down to set up 3rd & long. Then Miles Sanders got lost and couldn't execute a quick release dump off screen.

2nd drive started off with Hubbard losing on 1st down. Dalton set up the 3rd and short. Johnson was turned by DB and no call.

3rd drive was a 1st down pass by Dalton followed by Johnson giving up on his route to a physical DB for the INT.

4th drive was Hubbard losing on 2nd and 6 and Nijman giving up the sack on 3rd down.

5th drive was 4 straight running downs of Hubbard, Hubbard, Miles Sanders, Hubbard. Turnover on downs.

6th drive was Hubbard setting up a 3rd and very long with a -2 yard run followed by a 0 yard run.

Then, end of half 0-27. Game over with this defense.

Notice how the failing element on 5 of the 6 drives are the RBs?

This game was definitely a commitment to RBs and TEs. The RBs didn't win. Hubbard had 12 touches in the first half and lost on 7 of them. Miles Sanders was given 3 opportunities and lost on 2 of them.

8 of 15 by the RBs for 2 turnovers and 2 conversions.

7 of 11 by the QB for 1 turnover and 4 conversions.

3 punts (WR drop, OL sack, RB 3rd & 12)

Hubbard converted once on 46% of the offense's opportunities. Dalton was 40% of the offense and doubled the RBs production. Brian Robinson converted 5 times in the first half for a RB comparison.

The game was lost on garbage defense and ineffective RBs behind one of the strongest run blocking OLs in the league. Let's stop claiming there is no commitment to the run. Dalton has been bailing the RBs and pass blocking out for 5 games.

Hubbard will never be a complete back. He is not good enough to be a power back or a 3rd down back. He's a limited change of pace RB at best who can't carry a game, and he's struggling to be consistent behind this good run game OL. Limited and flashy won't get it done in this league.

There is a commitment to the run. You're not seeing it because the defense is allowing everyone to score and the running game can't win consistently. The running game is equivalent to a 40% passing QB who turns over the ball, but makes a highlight play 1 or 2 times every drive that doesn't result in 2 or more scores a game.

Thank you for the full breakdown.  I’m sure that took some time.

It still misses the point.

We KNOW the defense is going to give up 35+ ppg.  How would one mitigate that?  By keeping the other offense off the field.  How do you do that?  Ball control offense, running the ball.

This team has exactly 1 strength to lean on, run blocking.  If it fails it fails.  You still HAVE to do it.

(but seriously, good job on that breakdown)

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