Last 3 weeks…

[Navy_football]

This isn't on Canales' playcalling. Maybe more on personnel.

That screen that he called to XL where Ian Thomas missed the block was a perfect call. If Dalton completes that pass to XL, it would have gone for a big gain. Maybe even a TD. Execution. Plays are there to be made. 

[hepcat]

2 hours ago, lightsout said:

Bryce got a series and on 3rd down of that series he checked the first read and immediately hit the check down. Which had two defenders on it already. Because Bryce does this every fuging snap

For real man, I don't get it. He knew he might only get that one drive and they're getting blown out. Why the f*ck aren't they trying to throw a bomb?

There are so many problems with this franchise right now it might be better if they just delete the team and start over with an entirely new organization, name, and owner. 

[ProcessBlue2]

Something to note..

Canales and Morgan are also having to work with personnel that aren't exactly best for the scheme. It takes a couple of offseasons to acquire the right personnel. 

The players are a mix of Rhule, Reich, Snow, Fitterer, Brady, and McAdoo players. 

[Ricky Prickles]

3 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Yeh… but it’s all Bryce Young’s fault… LOL

Bryce Young is not an NFL QB, no doubt about that but the team still sucks without him playing also

[CRA]

correcting my OP.  Last 3 weeks, we are now trending worse than the Frank/Bryce offense of 2023. 

The fact we have no defense, should make it a walk in the park for Canales to outshine it with the most expensive OL in the NFL. 

Dalton averaging 150 pass per game (below the Bryce 2023 season suck line)

O averaging 12 pts per game (below the Bryce line)

TD to INT ratio (worse than the Bryce line)

and we have been worse than the Bryce line of horrific....while playing 3 weak/bad teams.  

 

 

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

correcting my OP.  Last 3 weeks, we are now trending worse than the Frank/Bryce offense of 2023. 

The fact we have no defense, should make it a walk in the park for Canales to outshine it with the most expensive OL in the NFL. 

Dalton averaging 150 pass per game (below the Bryce 2023 season suck line)

O averaging 12 pts per game (below the Bryce line)

TD to INT ratio (worse than the Bryce line)

and we have been worse than the Bryce line of horrific....while playing 3 weak/bad teams.  

 

 

You ain't seen nothing yet. It only gets worse from here. The Panthers are officially every teams get right game.

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

You ain't seen nothing yet. It only gets worse from here. The Panthers are officially every teams get right game.

It’s an unreal opportunity to make money. The Panthers will maybe win one more game which will be enough to keep them from having -21 spreads 

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You ain't seen nothing yet. It only gets worse from here. The Panthers are officially every teams get right game.

Oh, I don't disagree.  I have been telling folks for some time....the bottom isn't here yet.  It can get worse. 

[Jon Snow]

55 minutes ago, hepcat said:

It’s an unreal opportunity to make money. The Panthers will maybe win one more game which will be enough to keep them from having -21 spreads 

They will not win another game. 

[Bear Hands]

I sometimes wish that Tepper did a big uni and logo refresh when he bought the team so that everything was preserved from the better times. Those times of mediocrity and the occasional playoff run.

[NorthTryon]

14 hours ago, PantherKyle said:

At one point we had 15 rushes and 12 passes. It's simply not true.

The roster is atrocious. Idk what people expect from Canales rn.

 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

correcting my OP.  Last 3 weeks, we are now trending worse than the Frank/Bryce offense of 2023. 

The fact we have no defense, should make it a walk in the park for Canales to outshine it with the most expensive OL in the NFL. 

The last three weeks we have lost two players off of our revamped o-line. AT being out matters, because they are having to push Coker at the slot because Mingo is a bust. The next three difference makers behind Brown and Horn on defense have been hurt, one for the season. As mentioned in the post above, what do you expect Canales to do? Players are still being schemed open and there is still a lot of meat being left on the bone in explosive plays due to the personnel. Take the Sanders play yesterday on the naked play action boot. He tripped on the turf and fell when he had a blocker in front with a whole side line of green grass. Chuba got tackled for a one yard gain on a zone scheme where the line caved down the entire Washington dline and all he had to do was make a cut back for a wide open foot race. If Miles gets his head around on the screen, maybe we get 7 or at least 3 out of the first march straight down the field. Diontae and Dalton got their signals crossed on the next possession on an easy rhythm passing play. I am with you, he doesn't get a complete pass, there are growing pains, but the offense has not been figured out, they just will need to gain continuity, and continue to add playmakers as well as let these kids grow up in the system.

[Johnstonny]

17 hours ago, lightsout said:

Bryce got a series and on 3rd down of that series he checked the first read and immediately hit the check down. Which had two defenders on it already. Because Bryce does this every fuging snap

...Comon, it was the perfect hospital ball... I woulda just batted that down with no attempt to catch it.

[UNCrules2187]

I was somewhat optimistic coming into the season but things are looking pretty dire now. The schedule before the bye week was supposed to be the softer portion, now we're going into Denver against a great defense and a HC who'll be looking to embarrass the fug out of Tepper. Realistically looking at a 1-16 season if they can't get a win against the banged up Saints at home or vs the Giants in Munich. 

Post bye-week schedule: KC, TB, at PHI, DAL, AZ, at TB, at ATL...that's 1-6 at best and more likely 0-7.

Edited October 21 by UNCrules2187

[CPantherKing]

18 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

Agreed.  He’s preached a commitment to the run and has literally abandoned it every week.

Thats inexcusable.

The running game is hit and miss. It's not winning consistently. It was all TEs and RBs that couldn't win in the flats, off the edges, or between the tackles.

Wide receivers were targeted 7 times in the game for 4 touches. 

Panthers had 8 drives to work with in the game, and the game was 0-27 at halftime. The Panthers only had 2 drives in the 2nd half, and the TD drive was anchored by a 3rd down 29 yard pass by Dalton.

1st drive ended because Hubbard got 1 yard on 2nd down to set up 3rd & long. Then Miles Sanders got lost and couldn't execute a quick release dump off screen.

2nd drive started off with Hubbard losing on 1st down. Dalton set up the 3rd and short. Johnson was turned by DB and no call.

3rd drive was a 1st down pass by Dalton followed by Johnson giving up on his route to a physical DB for the INT.

4th drive was Hubbard losing on 2nd and 6 and Nijman giving up the sack on 3rd down.

5th drive was 4 straight running downs of Hubbard, Hubbard, Miles Sanders, Hubbard. Turnover on downs.

6th drive was Hubbard setting up a 3rd and very long with a -2 yard run followed by a 0 yard run.

Then, end of half 0-27. Game over with this defense.

Notice how the failing element on 5 of the 6 drives are the RBs?

This game was definitely a commitment to RBs and TEs. The RBs didn't win. Hubbard had 12 touches in the first half and lost on 7 of them. Miles Sanders was given 3 opportunities and lost on 2 of them.

8 of 15 by the RBs for 2 turnovers and 2 conversions.

7 of 11 by the QB for 1 turnover and 4 conversions.

3 punts (WR drop, OL sack, RB 3rd & 12)

Hubbard converted once on 46% of the offense's opportunities. Dalton was 40% of the offense and doubled the RBs production. Brian Robinson converted 5 times in the first half for a RB comparison.

The game was lost on garbage defense and ineffective RBs behind one of the strongest run blocking OLs in the league. Let's stop claiming there is no commitment to the run. Dalton has been bailing the RBs and pass blocking out for 5 games.

Hubbard will never be a complete back. He is not good enough to be a power back or a 3rd down back. He's a limited change of pace RB at best who can't carry a game, and he's struggling to be consistent behind this good run game OL. Limited and flashy won't get it done in this league.

There is a commitment to the run. You're not seeing it because the defense is allowing everyone to score and the running game can't win consistently. The running game is equivalent to a 40% passing QB who turns over the ball, but makes a highlight play 1 or 2 times every drive that doesn't result in 2 or more scores a game.