Chuba Hubbard......

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Don't you love it when Chuba is ripping off runs at like 8 ypc then we get cute and throw 1 yard outs that get tackled for loss.

A WR with the ball in his hands on a running play is the same as the RB who rips off those 8 yard runs. Duh. 

DC saw Carroll piss away a SB and said 'that is my offense, I'm all in'. 

Edited October 15 by Waldo

[strato]

Learning year, all rookies get one. 

[Khyber53]

18 hours ago, t96 said:

we had Alex Armah who actually was pretty solid for a FB these days. It's a dying position and hard to find an elite lead blocking FB; they don't come developed and polished out of college like the old days

I forgot about Alex! Really liked that dude. But let's face it, we need another Brad Hoover. 

[Mage]

15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

They ran 15 times in the first half(22-17 ATL lead). 

They ran 8 times in the third quarter(28-20 ATL lead).

They ran the ball 15 times in the 4th quarter(3 were Kirk kneel downs).

Okay.... and this disapproves what I am saying how exactly?  They had the lead for the majority of the game.  Thus they ran the ball more than the team who didn't have the lead.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but you have been watching football for a long time, right?  In your experience, how often does the team without the lead out-run the team with the lead?  How often does the team dead last in points allowed run the ball more than the other team?  How often does a team give up 20+ points in the first half and keep running the ball in the second?

It just isn't a thing.  You act like the Panthers just abandoned the run completely.  Again, Hubbard had 18 carries.  That is not a small amount, especially when you lost the game by 18 points.  He's 10th in the NFL in carries.  Like seriously, what do you want?  For him to get 30+ carries a game while the other team clears 30 points?

If you want to criticize Canales, feel free.  But acting like his approach to the run/pass divide is unusual just isn't correct.  Panthers problems have nothing to do with them "not running the ball enough".  The simple fact of the matter is when you have the worst defense in the NFL, there is only so much you can run the ball.  This is just a fact.

Edited October 15 by Mage

[Mage]

14 hours ago, Waldo said:

A WR with the ball in his hands on a running play is the same as the RB who rips off those 8 yard runs. Duh. 

DC saw Carroll piss away a SB and said 'that is my offense, I'm all in'. 

What?  Hubbard is literally 10th in the NFL in carries and that is despite only getting 16 carries the first 2 weeks because of how terrible Bryce Young was.  He's averaging 17.5 carries his last 4 games.  For comparison, the NFL's leading rusher Derrick Henry averages 19.8 carries per game.  Barkley averages 18.5.  And those two play on way better teams than us, teams that can actually afford to run the ball at the end of games.

Some of you are just reaching for anything you can think of to blame.  This is 2024.  Teams aren't gonna give a dude 20 carries every single week.  And what, do you want them to run Miles Sanders more?  Is that REALLY what is going to turn things around?  

Edited October 15 by Mage

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

What the heck are some of you even referring to?  Hubbard is literally 10th in the NFL in carries and that is despite only getting 16 carries the first 2 weeks because of how terrible Bryce Young was.  He's averaging 17.5 carries his last 4 games.  For comparison, the NFL's leading rusher Derrick Henry averages 19.8 carries per game.  Barkley averages 18.5.  And those two play on way better teams than us, teams that can actually afford to run the ball at the end of games.

Some of you are just reaching for anything you can think of to blame.  This is 2024.  Teams aren't gonna give a dude 20 carries every single week.  And what, do you want them to run Miles Sanders more?  Is that REALLY what is going to turn things around?  Come on now.

DC was a pass first OC last year and he is a pass first HC calling plays. 18 carries is too light. He should have more than that. He also ran 28 routes with 6 targets. That is completely backwards IMO. That would also cut back on Daltons 38 attempts which would be a good thing with an elderly QB with Young as a backup. Also only getting 16 carries because of how terrible Young is only highlights the play calling issues because that should have been way up then, more than now with Dalton under center. 

It's nothing new with DC and was an issue with him last year. Stop acting like it's bitching to just bitch when this is earned. Just run the damn ball and stop pretending Dalton is Brady, he isn't and never has been. It was 28-20 going into the 4th so there was zero reason to abandon the run that was working better than the passing game before that point. He also calls a lot of passes on 1st down instead of taking the easy run yards which ends up in too many 3 and outs. Go look at the play by play calls. It's not impressive. 

Come on to you. If it's earned it's earned. This is earned criticism. 

As for Sanders, I don't even know why he is still on the active team. Might as well activate Boone and see what he has. Him being around doesn't make them look any better but just adds justification for more criticism. 

 

[Mage]

13 minutes ago, Waldo said:

DC was a pass first OC last year and he is a pass first HC calling plays. 18 carries is too light. He should have more than that. He also ran 28 routes with 6 targets. That is completely backwards IMO. That would also cut back on Daltons 38 attempts which would be a good thing with an elderly QB with Young as a backup. 

This is crazy talk.  The NFL's leading rusher only averages 19 per game.  

18 carries is not "too light" when you are giving up 33 PPG.  This shouldn't even be a discussion.

[Mage]

22 minutes ago, Waldo said:

It's nothing new with DC and was an issue with him last year. Stop acting like it's bitching to just bitch when this is earned. Just run the damn ball and stop pretending Dalton is Brady, he isn't and never has been. It was 28-20 going into the 4th so there was zero reason to abandon the run that was working better than the passing game before that point. He also calls a lot of passes on 1st down instead of taking the easy run yards which ends up in too many 3 and outs. Go look at the play by play calls. It's not impressive. 

I wasn't even going to entertain the rest of your post because quite frankly, you are so wrong, but I had to respond to this.  You are telling me to go look at the play calls?  How about you take your own advice.

The Panthers opened the 4th quarter up with 5 runs in their first 6 plays.  They didn't "abandon" it.  After that drive, they didn't get the ball back until 5 minutes left in the 4th with the score 20-35.

Again, some of you are just reaching for something to blame, logic be damned.  When you give up 30+ points per game, there is only so much you can run the football.  This is a fact.  Why are we even debating this?  It is common sense.

Edited October 15 by Mage

[PNW_PantherMan]

Here's a list of last year's top 10 rushers by attempts.  DC runs the ball a lot, he just wasn't good at it.

 

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, Mage said:

This is crazy talk.  The NFL's leading rusher only averages 19 per game.  

18 carries is not "too light" when you are giving up 33 PPG.  This shouldn't even be a discussion.

Even DC said he was going to be a run first team this year. WTF are you talking about? The team is 25th in rushing attempts and 22nd in rush yards. 

It shouldn't be a discussion but here we are. Go look at the teams running it 30+ times a game, even KC is in there. 

[scpanther22]

Good thing we didn't take a RB in the 2nd round lol

[Mage]

12 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Even DC said he was going to be a run first team this year. WTF are you talking about? The team is 25th in rushing attempts and 22nd in rush yards. 

It shouldn't be a discussion but here we are. Go look at the teams running it 30+ times a game, even KC is in there. 

BECAUSE WE ARE GIVING UP 33 POINTS PER GAME.  It can't be that hard to see why a team routinely giving up 20+ points in the first half isn't in a position to run the ball 30+ times a game.  This is just common sense that a 10 year old football fan would know.

You can't be a top-10 team in rush attempts giving up 30+ points a game unless you also have a QB who runs a lot on drop back passes.

Top 10 Teams in Rushing:

Ravens - 24th in points allowed (helps they have a QB who also runs a lot)

Steelers - 2nd in points allowed 

Packers - 9th in points allowed (+ the weeks they had Malik Willis)

49ers - 12th in points allowed

Commanders - 22nd in points allowed (see Ravens)

Saints - 23rd in points allowed

Bills - 11th in points allowed

Bears - 5th in points allowed

Lions - 8th in points allowed

Cardinals - 27th in points allowed (see Ravens and Commanders)

Gee, who would have guessed the teams who run the ball the most either have mobile QBs who help inflate the numbers or play good defense?  Saints are the one exception on the list, but the 51-points they allowed is skewing the numbers.  And guess how many times they ran the ball that game?  21 times.  Because, shocker, teams who give up a lot of points tend to not run the ball.  It isn't a Dave Canales thing.  It is a football logic thing.

Edited October 15 by Mage

[Mage]

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Even DC said he was going to be a run first team this year. WTF are you talking about? The team is 25th in rushing attempts and 22nd in rush yards. 

It shouldn't be a discussion but here we are. Go look at the teams running it 30+ times a game, even KC is in there. 

And what happened to your argument that they abandoned the run in the 4th quarter?  Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Mage said:

Okay.... and this disapproves what I am saying how exactly?  They had the lead for the majority of the game.  Thus they ran the ball more than the team who didn't have the lead.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but you have been watching football for a long time, right?  In your experience, how often does the team without the lead out-run the team with the lead?  How often does the team dead last in points allowed run the ball more than the other team?  How often does a team give up 20+ points in the first half and keep running the ball in the second?

It just isn't a thing.  You act like the Panthers just abandoned the run completely.  Again, Hubbard had 18 carries.  That is not a small amount, especially when you lost the game by 18 points.  He's 10th in the NFL in carries.  Like seriously, what do you want?  For him to get 30+ carries a game while the other team clears 30 points?

If you want to criticize Canales, feel free.  But acting like his approach to the run/pass divide is unusual just isn't correct.  Panthers problems have nothing to do with them "not running the ball enough".  The simple fact of the matter is when you have the worst defense in the NFL, there is only so much you can run the ball.  This is just a fact.

Atlanta passed for over 500 yards on 58 passing attempts to 18 rushing attempts against team that is bottom 5 in pass defense and top 12 in rushing defense.

They rushed for 225 yards on 38 attempts to 30 passing attempts against a team that is bottom 5 in rushing defense and 23rd in pass defense.

Notice how they adjusted their offensive gameplan to suit the opponent? That's what smart football looks like.

We don't do that.