Anybody else disgusted with Richardson?

[carolinanimal]

Being good at the draft makes it much easier to sustain long-term success. The Steelers ability to backfill via their draftees is what allows them to stay out of the high-priced free agent derby yet still retain a level of success. That's what we're shooting for, and I think it's a smart approach.

i think that a balanced approach is best. you cant go completely in the draft. it takes too long and this is a Not For Long League and you will be continually inexperienced. you cant go full bore into fa either it would be too expensive and cause major headaches down the road. a good amount of both is the best approach.

[cookinbrak]

Trading next years #1 is NOT good drafting. It's called "mortgaging the future", and we did it. Twice. Lets just see who's available with our pick this year. Not necessarily who SF takes.

[carolinanimal]

Well, I am curious to what you guys believe is the way that the teams stay consistantly good when it comes to replacing players.

If it is not drafting well, and it is not bring in high priced free agents.

Then what is it?

a combination of drafting as good as possible and picking up key free agents. not necessarily the highest or the lowest. but key free agents. if the one guy you need is a high priced one get him, if not go elsewhere. draft as best you can.

as far as the draft is concerned . all those players get drafted but not all of them work out. sometimes even the best teams have bad drafts. you dont know what will happen with guys coming from college. look at ryan leaf and tony mandrich. also look at tom brady and kurt warner , heck even jake delhomme. you cant tell me that guys expected them to be that way. that is why they say that the draft even with all the scouting and things is still a inexact science.

[carolinanimal]

So by this I'm assuming you had a grand free agency plan for the Carolina Panthers? Did you really think that we were going to pursue Brandon Marshall? Sign Aaron Kampman (a glorified Tyler Brayton)? I mean come on we are talking about the Panthers here.

Oh and by sitting around and not saying anything till two weeks before the draft thus guaranteed yourself to be unhappy. If the Panthers were going to go after big name free agents or make trades they would have done it early on, just like they did their cuts.

And for the love of god don't start another Peppers argument on here. He is gone get over it. Great teams can bounce back after losing players like that because they build through the draft. He didn't want to play here anymore. IF the Panthers had gotten a second round pick for him last offseason, we all would have been pissed because we wanted a first. Thus we all took a gamble and it didn't work out for us...

I'm tired of hearing people whine about our lack of activity in free agency. If you don't like Richardson, you don't like the Panthers. Go cheer for the Patriots, Yankees, and Lakers. There now your set.

Whats wrong with the Yankees?

The franchise with the most championships of any sport!!!!!

[Mr. Scot]

Well, I am curious to what you guys believe is the way that the teams stay consistantly good when it comes to replacing players.

If it is not drafting well, and it is not bring in high priced free agents.

Then what is it?

It's not the approach that's being argued. It's the example. The Pats of the past few years haven't been all that great.

[PantherBrew]

a combination of drafting as good as possible and picking up key free agents. not necessarily the highest or the lowest. but key free agents. if the one guy you need is a high priced one get him, if not go elsewhere. draft as best you can.

as far as the draft is concerned . all those players get drafted but not all of them work out. sometimes even the best teams have bad drafts. you dont know what will happen with guys coming from college. look at ryan leaf and tony mandrich. also look at tom brady and kurt warner , heck even jake delhomme. you cant tell me that guys expected them to be that way. that is why they say that the draft even with all the scouting and things is still a inexact science.

I agree, I don't know why people think that just because I say some teams draft better than others, typically.

They assume that I mean that some teams have perfect drafts and never miss on players.

I guess what I am tryin to say, is some teams miss less than others, but that it is not based solely on luck.

[Kurb]

It's not the approach. It's the example. The Pats of the past few years haven't been all that great.

[carolinaAl]

I'm tired of hearing people whine about our lack of activity in free agency. If you don't like Richardson, you don't like the Panthers. Go cheer for the Patriots, Yankees, and Lakers. There now your set

1st off, who really cares what you are tired of. Who died and made you king?

Secondly, your second statement is complete BS. You can dislike or disagree with an owner, coach, Gm, and still be a true fan. The greatest fans around for whatever teams, don't always agree with there owners and coaches.

So all you Richardson nuthuggers who think just becuase he brought us an NFL team he can't make a mistake or make bad decisions, don't come crying if we do go 4-12 or worst next year. I never said I didn't like Richardson, I said I am disgusted with how he has handled our off season thus far. You got a different opinion, well great. Good for you. I appreciate Richardson for bringing NFL to Chlt. For the most part I have always thought he was a great owner. I don't like that he has never and still has zero communication or interaction with fans. I don't like how this off season and the attitude of CBA first and we'll be great after the lock out attitude.

Makes me no less a Panthers fan than you.

[PantherBrew]

It's not the approach that's being argued. It's the example. The Pats of the past few years haven't been all that great.

Okay, I can see where that example may have faults, but the point still remains.

[Mr. Scot]

I agree, I don't know why people think that just because I say some teams draft better than others, typically.

They assume that I mean that some teams have perfect drafts and never miss on players.

I guess what I am tryin to say, is some teams miss less than others, but that it is not based solely on luck.

Luck factors (try saying that five times fast) but it's not like it's a total gamble.

[PantherBrew]

Luck factors (try saying that five times fast) but it's not like it's a total gamble.

I guess what I am tryin to say, is some teams miss less than others, but that it is not based solely on luck.

Yep :cheers2:

[nosuchthingasapanther]

this will be a problem down the road i think. there is now way we keep all our young stars! beason, kalil, td otah, stewart, dwill, matt moore. someone will be gone in the next 2 years. funny that the message is that we want to lock up our young core but they know there is no way we lock up all these guys.

like i posted in another thread, people are going to shocked or disappointed as to who the core group consists of.

it wouldn't surprise me if at least 3 of the players you listed aren't a part of the group.

[Mr. Scot]

Yep :cheers2:

You still haven't told me where Roethlisberger fits in (see previous page).

[Fiz]

Well, I am curious to what you guys believe is the way that the teams stay consistantly good when it comes to replacing players.

what do you define as consistently good

because for the pats and colts whelp having the two best qbs of all time have helped things.

If it is not drafting well, and it is not bring in high priced free agents.

Then what is it?

it is a combination of things that involves good draftings, making prudent choices in free agency, spending your money wisely, taking advantage of fortunate situation irt hardships of your opponents, as well as a good ole dose of luck.

none of these things are easily quantifiable and i know it's difficult for simple folk such as yourself who, in the lakoffian sense, believe in harsh morality and simplistic binary systems, to understand that there's more than one simple answer to all of these questions.