Anybody else disgusted with Richardson?

[rayzor]

I think it's still too early to draw any conclusions.

Those would best be saved for training camp.

A lot can happen over the summer

agreed but if people want to continue to be "negative pukes" i will be more than happy to laugh at them.

i just don't see any reason to be disgusted. the team will be able to be competitive next year. it isn't like we lost a lot of studs. we still have most of our best players on the team and a lot of potential among the rest, plus a draft and another phase of FA to go through. there is still plenty of time.

however if you want to go ahead and consider the 2010 season lost 5 months before it even starts...go right ahead.

[necroplasm]

JR is just looking at the bigger picture. It's best to just reload now before it's too late. and build on the draft for the next few years.. more so than we ever have.

Cap space will be in great shape for awhile, make sure what happened last year.. will NOT happen again

[HSCBandit07]

Every team has setbacks, and I am at least happy that the FO had insight into JP leaving before this year as they drafted Brown last year. I wasn't happy with what we gave up for him, but I am glad he is here. As for a WR, there is a lot of talent in the draft this year and I am fine with drafting one with our first pick. If they were to have traded to get Marshall or any other WR, you can say goodbye to Jarrett because there would be no longer any reason to keep him on this team. I am fine with drafting a WR and developing him while Jarrett gets a few starts with Moore so we can truly see if he is a bust or not. If he doesn't produce, our rookie will have enough training for us to see what he can do. If all else fails, we have three great TE's that we can throw in with Smith and still be a threat in the receiving game. I applaud Richardson's patience.

[carolinaAl]

before you say that neither did dan snyder of the owner of the browns or lions. jsut saying.

winner-winner chicken dinner.

you could say that about Bob Johnson, Dan Snyder, the Clippers ownership, the list could go on. The owners of all the losers-and I am not saying we are losers yet- didn't where they are being fools or they wouldn't be rich enough to be owners.

[PantherBrew]

Every team has setbacks, and I am at least happy that the FO had insight into JP leaving before this year as they drafted Brown last year. I wasn't happy with what we gave up for him, but I am glad he is here. As for a WR, there is a lot of talent in the draft this year and I am fine with drafting one with our first pick. If they were to have traded to get Marshall or any other WR, you can say goodbye to Jarrett because there would be no longer any reason to keep him on this team. I am fine with drafting a WR and developing him while Jarrett gets a few starts with Moore so we can truly see if he is a bust or not. If he doesn't produce, our rookie will have enough training for us to see what he can do. If all else fails, we have three great TE's that we can throw in with Smith and still be a threat in the receiving game. I applaud Richardson's patience.

Shut up with your fancy logic

[AceMan]

If we go 6-10 or something like that, we better not have any pissed off whiners around here.

Am I disgusted with Richardson? No...because I can understand what he is planning/doing. The problem will be how much value fans think Richardson has put into this season. Whether optimists, pessimists, or casual fans want to agree on this or not...Next season is an "it is what it is" season. While winning is important, it is not the #1 goal. The #1 goal is to re-sign our core to long-term deals in the future. Winning and making the playoffs is a bonus at this point.

I'm optimistic for next year because 1.) Delhomme got cut, 2.) Wanted the youth movement for a long time now, 3.) Delhomme got CUT, and 4.) A couple players I like are finally getting a REAL chance. But, I'm not naive enough to think we won't be bad next year either.

[carolinaAl]

Your only about two months late with this gloom and doom thread... and no I don't feel that way

I am not 2 months late. If you read the post you would see I said I had been trying to reserve judgement until we saw how things played out.

And I am not spewing gloom and doom. I have said nothing that isn't factual.

We let Pep walk after spending a gazillion dollars on him last year with no compensation.

We don't have a first round pick and the odds are against picking up significant contributors in rounds 2-7, although it's not impossible. But it is a crap shoot.

We need help at wide receiver. Smith has said it, Hurney said it emphatically in his interview, and said they had a plan. But again, the draft is a crap shoot. Jarrett was supposed to be a stud and although it still could, that hasn't happened yet. So getting a receiver in round 2 or 3 that has immiediate significant impact is again a crap shoot at best.

I have confidence that Johnson and Brown can step up to the plate but you do not lose Peppers and not add anyone and say you got better unless you just have on Pnthers colored glasses no mater what the facts say.

[carolinanimal]

Every team has setbacks, and I am at least happy that the FO had insight into JP leaving before this year as they drafted Brown last year. I wasn't happy with what we gave up for him, but I am glad he is here. As for a WR, there is a lot of talent in the draft this year and I am fine with drafting one with our first pick. If they were to have traded to get Marshall or any other WR, you can say goodbye to Jarrett because there would be no longer any reason to keep him on this team. I am fine with drafting a WR and developing him while Jarrett gets a few starts with Moore so we can truly see if he is a bust or not. If he doesn't produce, our rookie will have enough training for us to see what he can do. If all else fails, we have three great TE's that we can throw in with Smith and still be a threat in the receiving game. I applaud Richardson's patience.

i would have like the team to go after antonio bryant, especially since he kills us every year!!

dj may be a viable option be he lacks speed. if steve smith gets hurt we will have a rookie , dj and maybe kenny moore at wr? that would suck. if we are down to relying on our tes for the passing game we are in major trouble.

[PantherBrew]

I am not 2 months late. If you read the post you would see I said I had been trying to reserve judgement until we saw how things played out.

And I am not spewing gloom and doom. I have said nothing that isn't factual.

We let Pep walk after spending a gazillion dollars on him last year with no compensation.

We don't have a first round pick and the odds are against picking up significant contributors in rounds 2-7, although it's not impossible. But it is a crap shoot.

We need help at wide receiver. Smith has said it, Hurney said it emphatically in his interview, and said they had a plan. But again, the draft is a crap shoot. Jarrett was supposed to be a stud and although it still could, that hasn't happened yet. So getting a receiver in round 2 or 3 that has immiediate significant impact is again a crap shoot at best.

I have confidence that Johnson and Brown can step up to the plate but you do not lose Peppers and not add anyone and say you got better unless you just have on Pnthers colored glasses no mater what the facts say.

The draft is only a crap shoot if you are not any good at it.

[carolinanimal]

I am not 2 months late. If you read the post you would see I said I had been trying to reserve judgement until we saw how things played out.

And I am not spewing gloom and doom. I have said nothing that isn't factual.

We let Pep walk after spending a gazillion dollars on him last year with no compensation.

We don't have a first round pick and the odds are against picking up significant contributors in rounds 2-7, although it's not impossible. But it is a crap shoot.

We need help at wide receiver. Smith has said it, Hurney said it emphatically in his interview, and said they had a plan. But again, the draft is a crap shoot. Jarrett was supposed to be a stud and although it still could, that hasn't happened yet. So getting a receiver in round 2 or 3 that has immiediate significant impact is again a crap shoot at best.

I have confidence that Johnson and Brown can step up to the plate but you do not lose Peppers and not add anyone and say you got better unless you just have on Pnthers colored glasses no mater what the facts say.

i agree. i and others arent saying we will be 4-12 this year. i am more frustrated that we havent really addressed the issues we have. even steve smith said our team was down as of right now. i dont see many moves that would bring us back up. we have painted ourselves into a corner for THIS YEAR, we have to have the greatest draft ever.

i also want to state that i just dont want our team to "contend" i want us to win, to dominate to make the playoffs and make major noise to get to a superbowl.

[ncbobcat]

The draft is only a crap shoot if you are not any good at it.

WOW!!!!! :eek: :confused:

First round yes, but beyond that odds of landing producitve players trends down. That's the reason value for picks decrease and phrases like "late round gems" "day 2 steals" came about. Even in rounds one or two you have excellent college players that can't make the transition to the pro level, be it a product of the college system or lack of top notch competition. Bad scouting? Maybe. But instances like this happen every year.

You'd have better odds of going to a horse race and winning than banking on your late round picks becoming conerstones of the franchise.

Case of posting before thinking...or at least clarifying.

[panthers55]

In a way you can't be happy about what the FO is doing unless you have a lot of faith in Hurney and Fox.

Hurney to scour the bargain basements and castaway piles from other teams looking for more Braytons and Lewises and making sure he can negotiate and keep all of our young starters.

Fox and his staff since they are going to have to turn a bunch of backups, no names and guys coming off injury into a cohesive unit very quickly in order to compete this year in a division that will be one of the toughest in the NFL. All while the other teams in the divisions (other than Tampa) are not going cheap or dumping their veterans like we are.

The reality is that one of the knocks on Fox has been that with the best personnel we did pretty good but when the talent wasn't there we struggled particularly on defense. His schemes were too vanilla, the bend don't break strategy wasn't effective, etc.

If we take time to come out of the gate, gel as a unit like we did last year and struggle for the first half of the season like we did last year you can't really blame Fox he is replacing the whole defensive line outside of Brayton, Diggs and it remains to be seen what will happen with Marshall.

It is interesting to me that Richardson didn't extend Fox's contract but then takes away a number of seasoned veterans and expects him to do well with backups who couldn't unseat them last year. Does he have faith that Fox can do the job? Is he deciding that Fox will do the best he can with what he has and if he succeeds then we keep him and if not then the next coach at least has more experienced guys to work with, or we are going on the cheap and that the CBA is the biggest issue.

It seems inconsistent that we would go on a youth movement unless we had faith in the coach to be able to develop these guys and bring them along. Most teams that embark on a rebuilding process give the coach several seasons to build a contender. Look at Washington for example. They brought in a new coach, Shanahan, and dumped a bunch of veterans but at the same time aren't expecting an instant turnaround and gave them some help with McNabb. And if Richardson believes in Fox why not extend him? And if he doesn't believe in Fox then why not fire him at the end of last year and bring in another guy while you are engaging in the youth movement. Does he really need to see more from Fox one way or the other to make a decision about him?

For these and other reasons I believe that it is more than just business as usual or a youth movement. I agree with the OP that the CBA and saving money is driving all these moves and our reluctance to bring in free agents and higher priced guys.

At this point though I agree with those who say that it is too early to push the panic button. I do believe that Hurney is better than a lot of folks here do. I think he will do his very best to turn a bunch of lemons into lemonade. And I think Fox is best when his back is against the wall and he has to bring along a bunch of guys with little or no experience like he did the second half of 2004. I think his positive attitude and hand clapping is absolutely necessary in order to keep a bunch of young guys cohesive and working together when the going gets tough.

Anyone who can't see that Richardson is going on the cheap is turning a blind eye to the obvious. But I do believe that Fox and Hurney will do everything they can to make this work. I just don't know if they will be able to pull it together quick enough before the season starts. That is what makes this season perhaps the most interesting in some time.

[carolinaAl]

WOW!!!!! :eek: :confused:

" Even in rounds one or two you have excellent college players that can't make the transition to the pro level, be it a product of the college system or lack of top notch competition. Bad scouting? Maybe. But instances like this happen every year."

See Dwayne Jarrett in round 2 and I can't remeber the guys name he was in the league so short a time but the RB from Lousiville in round 2.

[PantherBrew]

WOW!!!!! :eek: :confused:

First round yes, but beyond that odds of landing producitve players trends down. That's the reason value for picks decrease and phrases like "late round gems" "day 2 steals" came about. Even in rounds one or two you have excellent college players that can't make the transition to the pro level, be it a product of the college system or lack of top notch competition. Bad scouting? Maybe. But instances like this happen every year.

You'd have better odds of going to a horse race and winning than banking on your late round picks becoming conerstones of the franchise.

Case of posting before thinking...or at least clarifying.

Oh really?

Ask the New England Patriots if their drafting is a crap shoot.

Tell them they only got "lucky" when they drafted players.

Theres a reason the Oakland Raiders are the Oakland Raiders and the New England Patriots are the New England Patriots.

Winning franchises are built in rounds 2-7.