Why even be mad at about this one?

[rayzor]

I wanted the win. We all did.

Tepper needed the loss. It was a huge kick in the brass colored balls.

I mean what a perfect encapsulation of what his meddling can produce.

I hope it hurt.

[kungfoodude]

I got annoyed at Mingo stinking it up yesterday just because it's so predictable that he would be a bust. That's as close to getting mad as I got.

I was watching with other fans so I mainly just had a good time roasting the team and laughing. I watch with casual interest rather than living or dying with their success. After last season, I knew this was going to get a lot worse before it got better.

As I said literally last season, I don't see a winning season until at least 2030. We are too far from having the talent to do that and we don't appear to have improved(IMO) enough in the FO to make that change happen.

So the path to winning football is likely to be at least one more overhaul away.

[Prowler2k18]

Can’t say I’m mad either. I think we all knew this season was a wash. The roster has been terribly mismanaged since Tepper purchased the team and the chickens have come home to roost. It’s going to take us several years to get back to relevancy. Might as well accept it for what it is and endure the process. 

[d-dave]

What's sad is yesterday was a HUGE display of what we gave up for Bryce, and that return has not been very good right now.

From the moment that Tepper came in and tossed out Ron and Cam, this team has been lost.  We actually downgraded from Hurney in the GM department.  We have been a model of impatience and ineptitude since Tepper took over.

Who remembers those halcyon days of Teddy two gloves?  Or the run until they bleed Steve Wilks?  Just so many bad decisions made, and the buck stops with Tepper.

Now is there an overnight solution?  I don't think so.  Basically, we need to gather as much talent as we can.  We need to be sellers at he trade deadline.  As much as I hate to lose a guy like Chubba, RBs are almost never worth their 2nd contract.  Any expiring contract should be up for sale.  This year is going to be a crap show no matter which way you cut it up.  

What is it cross fitters say?  Embrace the suck?

[Prowler2k18]

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I wanted the win. We all did.

Tepper needed the loss. It was a huge kick in the brass colored balls.

I mean what a perfect encapsulation of what his meddling can produce.

I hope it hurt.

Agree and for the entire season.  Maybe now he’ll see the team as it really is - a hot mess - and take the hard lesson of letting the right people make football decisions without interference. We can only hope!

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

Can’t say I’m mad either. I think we all knew this season was a wash. The roster has been terribly mismanaged since Tepper purchased the team and the chickens have come home to roost. It’s going to take us several years to get back to relevancy. Might as well accept it for what it is and endure the process. 

I really am perplexed anytime someone argues with me about it taking multiple offseasons to fix this roster's talent issue. I just cannot fathom how anyone cannot see this. We are utterly devoid of talent, core players, winning culture and talent that we drafted. But people think this is a 1-2 year turnaround??? LOL. How?? Even if we nailed every single move in the next two offseasons, that isn't enough to bridge the gap to this being a contending football team. 

Hence why I said what I said earlier this season, this is not rebuilding. This is building. There is quite literally only two players on our roster that extend back to Rivera's culture. There are zero drafted players on this roster who have experienced anything but losing and chaos. The rest of this roster is a hodgepodge assortment of journeymen. These aren't culture instilling players. Frankie Luvu was a guy like that and he wanted out of here ASAP. What should that tell everyone?

This isn't rebuilding. The foundation is completely removed. This is building. And there is no expansion draft to magically fix our roster.

[Diehardpanth02]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

Not mad but disappointed in the coaching. DC should be calling a run first offense and he keeps doing what he wants vs what he should. Evero's D is sloppy. Yes it should be lacking in talent given the situation but that doesn't excuse how those guys play.

I'm fine with losing if they can be competitive but yesterday they were not.

I would agree with this. Chuba should have had more touches early, I mean he dipped on a 40 harder like his 2nd or 3rd touch. We abandoned it for the screen passes bc Dalton was getting pressured.

It's a learning curve though, and as for Everyone. Dude doesn't have anything but his Dbs left. Our Defense is all injured.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Diehardpanth02 said:

I would agree with this. Chuba should have had more touches early, I mean he dipped on a 40 harder like his 2nd or 3rd touch. We abandoned it for the screen passes bc Dalton was getting pressured.

It's a learning curve though, and as for Everyone. Dude doesn't have anything but his Dbs left. Our Defense is all injured.

DC is known for being pass first and pass happy. It's a bad approach given the match up and just flat out how the team is built. He allowed them to get ahead and make his best offensive option meaningless. Let the running game open up the passing and not the other way around.

I agree about the learning curve. Failing is one thing but not adapting is much worse, especially for a guy who was really green like DC. Evero I don't know. The CBs look solid except Hill but the safety play has been worse with Scott in there. I'm watching some breakdowns today because I know I missed stuff.

[Prowler2k18]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I really am perplexed anytime someone argues with me about it taking multiple offseasons to fix this roster's talent issue. I just cannot fathom how anyone cannot see this. We are utterly devoid of talent, core players, winning culture and talent that we drafted. But people think this is a 1-2 year turnaround??? LOL. How?? Even if we nailed every single move in the next two offseasons, that isn't enough to bridge the gap to this being a contending football team. 

Hence why I said what I said earlier this season, this is not rebuilding. This is building. There is quite literally only two players on our roster that extend back to Rivera's culture. There are zero drafted players on this roster who have experienced anything but losing and chaos. The rest of this roster is a hodgepodge assortment of journeymen. These aren't culture instilling players. Frankie Luvu was a guy like that and he wanted out of here ASAP. What should that tell everyone?

This isn't rebuilding. The foundation is completely removed. This is building. And there is no expansion draft to magically fix our roster.

Couldn’t agree more. We’ve needed to tear this thing down to the studs for years now. Tepper is finally being forced to accept this reality.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

Couldn’t agree more. We’ve needed to tear this thing down to the studs for years now. Tepper is finally being forced to accept this reality.

I never wanted to enter into this level of tear down in the beginning(2018) because it usually takes years to ever pull out of. And, guess what? We are six years into it and trending in the wrong direction. 

It's likely to be a decade+ of losing football because of this teardown. This is quite literally why intelligent franchises never, EVER do this sort of thing.

Edited October 7 by kungfoodude

[Toolbox]

15 hours ago, hepcat said:

If Charlotte wasn’t a transplant city, Tepper would be prepping to move the team. 

What city would even take the panthers lol

[Waldo]

30 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I never wanted to enter into this level of tear down in the beginning(2018) because it usually takes years to ever pull out of. And, guess what? We are six years into it and trending in the wrong direction. 

It's likely to be a decade+ of losing football because of this teardown. This is quite literally why intelligent franchises never, EVER do this sort of thing.

The better the drafting the quicker the turn around. This team could be good in 2 years with good drafting, especially given the likely picking order starting this offseason. We are talent devoid from poor drafting and poor team building from people that should never have been working here but IF that ever changes then it's just a 2 year process as long as we don't trade away our future again like last year. It's not like any other NFCS team is a powerhouse so it's an attainable goal in theory.

It's was failed retool after retool since 2019 with bad trades along with bad drafting and plenty of bad pro-personnel along the way so it wasn't an intentional teardown, it was incompetence run wild. Tepper hires poorly and I'm not certain that doesn't include this current crew yet. How long at the bottom will be determined by who is in charge which is how they got here. Now that could take him another 10 years or maybe never but the cause was always with who he hired and how badly they have done their jobs and not because they chose a teardown because none of them did choose a rebuild or tear down, those idiots were trying to retool the entire time.  It's really amazing how badly they all fugged this team and how much money they all made in doing so. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

The better the drafting the quicker the turn around. This team could be good in 2 years with good drafting, especially given the likely picking order starting this offseason. We are talent devoid from poor drafting and poor team building from people that should never have been working here but IF that ever changes then it's just a 2 year process as long as we don't trade away our future again like last year. It's not like any other NFCS team is a powerhouse so it's an attainable goal in theory.

It's was failed retool after retool since 2019 with bad trades along with bad drafting and plenty of bad pro-personnel along the way so it wasn't an intentional teardown, it was incompetence run wild. Tepper hires poorly and I'm not certain that doesn't include this current crew yet. How long at the bottom will be determined by who is in charge which is how they got here. Now that could take him another 10 years or maybe never but the cause was always with who he hired and how badly they have done their jobs and not because they chose a teardown because none of them did choose a rebuild or tear down, those idiots were trying to retool the entire time.  It's really amazing how badly they all fugged this team and how much money they all made in doing so. 

It isn't a two year process from where we have torn down to. That's the problem. We could fuging destroy the next two drafts and free agency periods and we might improve to maybe .500 football.

This is literally why I said we should have never torn down this franchise. Now you have to completely build culture and you have to replace about 85% of the roster with NFL capable players. That is NOT a 2 year building process. It's years. YEARS.

[Waldo]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It isn't a two year process from where we have torn down to. That's the problem. We could fuging destroy the next two drafts and free agency periods and we might improve to maybe .500 football.

This is literally why I said we should have never torn down this franchise. Now you have to completely build culture and you have to replace about 85% of the roster with NFL capable players. That is NOT a 2 year building process. It's years. YEARS.

It's 2 years in the modern NFL. That's taking the NFCS and making the playoffs as a likely to be bounced team. And again they didn't try to tear it down but just have done everything poorly. 2 years of great management would be the 2 year turnaround. Your being dramatic. It's likely years because Tepper keeps hiring poorly and managing them poorly not because it can't be turned around that quickly. Wilks built culture on a bad team in half a season so again it's is even attainable for that guy who is a dinosaur in the modern NFL.