Coker

[strato]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

XL can become the best friend of a strong armed gunslinger QB. Let him go deep and jump ball against the CB. DC wants him to be his Evans/DK. Bryce would have been better with a Ladd quick short route runner. I think DC was building an offense for a traditional QB in case the Young experiment fails which it looks like it is…

I agree about DC. I think he knew it would fail and that he would get a shot at bringing in a more suitable QB. But he had to play the game while it all played out and he had to convincingly remove the excuses that were being made. 

 

[NAS]

5 hours ago, HPPantherzfan said:

I didn't get to watch most of the game yesterday, thanks HOA, but what happened to XL?

He made one catch and hurt his shoulder on the play.  I think he couldn't finish the game. 

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Mingo was always a high upside raw WR. He is by far our best run blocking WR. He is just going to need some time. Time is something we have since we have a while before we are competitive again…

You are literally describing a 7th round special teams guy, not a 2nd rounder. That's the problem.

42 minutes ago, strato said:

You guys know why Legette was chosen. We needed a guy that can compete with defensive for balls thrown by an inaccurate weak armed QB. 

5 games. Hurt in camp and growth somewhat slowed, and then the Bryce factor was quicksand too. 

Sure, if he was actually a sure handed WR. The truth is that he isn't that yet.

Remember, he isn't some 21 year old. He's about half a year younger than TMJ. We can't afford for him to take 3-4 years to figure this out. 

If you wanted a QB's best friend and just HAD to trade up, go get a Brian Thomas. That's an effective and pro ready WR.

Or how about a guy that went after XL? McConkley who consistently is able to get open and even catch the ball with his actual hands!!!

[strato]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You are literally describing a 7th round special teams guy, not a 2nd rounder. That's the problem.

Sure, if he was actually a sure handed WR. The truth is that he isn't that yet.

Remember, he isn't some 21 year old. He's about half a year younger than TMJ. We can't afford for him to take 3-4 years to figure this out. 

If you wanted a QB's best friend and just HAD to trade up, go get a Brian Thomas. That's an effective and pro ready WR.

Or how about a guy that went after XL? McConkley who consistently is able to get open and even catch the ball with his actual hands!!!

You watch Legette and the body catching and the unnecessary leaving his feet, yeah that is there. And needs to be addressed. 

But when he goes up or extends, he gets it. There is no body catching possible on those balls and his hands look pretty good to me. We haven't seen much of it. 

edit: this hinges on Young. We had players downfield open last year he rarely got near them.

Also we got that guy in Diontae. I just think Legette was taken to be that flag it down as if Russell Wilson tossed it up for grabs.

Edited October 7 by strato

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

20 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Give him mingos reps. He's finished.

Sigh…another wasted 2nd rounder

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, strato said:

You watch Legette and the body catching and the unnecessary leaving his feet, yeah that is there. And needs to be addressed. 

But when he goes up or extends, he gets it. There is no body catching possible on those balls and his hands look pretty good to me. We haven't seen much of it. 

edit: this hinges on Young. We had players downfield open last year he rarely got near them.

Also we got that guy in Diontae. I just think Legette was taken to be that flag it down as if Russell Wilson tossed it up for grabs.

This has zero to do with Bryce Young. It's about drafting a guy that needed to be on the bench for a couple of seasons to figure this poo out when you could have gotten an NFL ready player from day one.

We do this poo all the fuging time and it's infuriating. If the answer to "is he ready to play now" is "no", that is not a top 3 round pick player. That's a fuging day three player.

Edited October 7 by kungfoodude

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

48 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This has zero to do with Bryce Young. It's about drafting a guy that needed to be on the bench for a couple of seasons to figure this poo out when you could have gotten an NFL ready player from day one.

We do this poo all the fuging time and it's infuriating. If the answer to "is he ready to play now" is "no", that is not a top 3 round pick player. That's a fuging day three player.

Church.

[jb2288]

2 hours ago, Seltzer said:

Coker and Wallace were the only 2 bright spots from yesterday.

Coker looked like he could be WR3, and Wallace (despite a few rookie bumps), looked like he could be our starting MLB (and I'm definitely on board with going back to a 4-3 and think Wallace can be even better in a 4-3)

The only thing positive I can say about Mingo is he has been good as a run blocker so far.  He's not a good receiver.

Coker should get more reps from Mingo going forward. 

It's interesting (and sad) that 2 of the better WR's we've drafted in the past decade or so were UDFA's (Coker & Philly Brown), while we've busted on so many guys drafted high 

This is why I think he plays. Canales wants to establish rushing dominance and honestly Mingo is probably our best and most physical WR blocking. Unfortunately he just sucks at everything else a WR needs to do 

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

You are literally describing a 7th round special teams guy, not a 2nd rounder. That's the problem.

Sure, if he was actually a sure handed WR. The truth is that he isn't that yet.

Remember, he isn't some 21 year old. He's about half a year younger than TMJ. We can't afford for him to take 3-4 years to figure this out. 

If you wanted a QB's best friend and just HAD to trade up, go get a Brian Thomas. That's an effective and pro ready WR.

Or how about a guy that went after XL? McConkley who consistently is able to get open and even catch the ball with his actual hands!!!

7th rounders do good to make the team and are almost purely special teamers. I think we drafted Mingo at least a round too early but that was the old staff and he is here so let’s see if he can develop. 

Ladd is a slot WR. DJ is probably best as a slot, AT is a slot at this point, honestly Mingo was projected to be a big slot. We can’t field a team of slots. We needed an X WR who can stretch the field. That is what XL is. XL just needs to stay healthy and he will be fine. He is already flashing in this shitty offense. I liked AD Mitchell better as a prospect personally but I’m good with XL where we drafted him. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

7th rounders do good to make the team and are almost purely special teamers. I think we drafted Mingo at least a round too early but that was the old staff and he is here so let’s see if he can develop. 

Ladd is a slot WR. DJ is probably best as a slot, AT is a slot at this point, honestly Mingo was projected to be a big slot. We can’t field a team of slots. We needed an X WR who can stretch the field. That is what XL is. XL just needs to stay healthy and he will be fine. He is already flashing in this shitty offense. I liked AD Mitchell better as a prospect personally but I’m good with XL where we drafted him. 

You don't draft developmental guys in the first or second round unless you are a bad franchise. We consistently do this. Shocker of all shockers, it almost never works out.

This is what happened to Mingo and is likely to happen to XL.

Ever wonder why we can't develop these guys? Probably because we have the same level of terrible decision making as overdrafting guys like those in the first place that hiring coaches.

Also, name some guys in the last decade that didn't develop here and then went elsewhere to develop? It isn't just us that can't do it. We choose the wrong prospects many more times than we don't.

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

You don't draft developmental guys in the first or second round unless you are a bad franchise. We consistently do this. Shocker of all shockers, it almost never works out.

This is what happened to Mingo and is likely to happen to XL.

Ever wonder why we can't develop these guys? Probably because we have the same level of terrible decision making as overdrafting guys like those in the first place that hiring coaches.

Also, name some guys in the last decade that didn't develop here and then went elsewhere to develop? It isn't just us that can't do it. We choose the wrong prospects many more times than we don't.

I don’t think XL is much of a project. He isn’t killing it immediately like a top rookie WR would but his stats aren’t far off from Ladd and yeah Ladd’s only played 4, but we barely used XL in game 1 and he had Bryce throwing him the ball in game 2. We need ousted WRs. Slots just seem easier to come by. What outside WR did you want us to draft at 32 over XL? 
Who cares what our old fired staff failed to develop? This is our coach’s first year and he was zeroed in on XL. What Rhule, Reich, and Rivera did in the past has nothing to do with Canales. XL fits what Canales wants to do. Let’s just let him build his team because it’s going to happen whether we like it or not. 

[TD alt]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t think XL is much of a project. He isn’t killing it immediately like a top rookie WR would but his stats aren’t far off from Ladd and yeah Ladd’s only played 4, but we barely used XL in game 1 and he had Bryce throwing him the ball in game 2. We need ousted WRs. Slots just seem easier to come by. What outside WR did you want us to draft at 32 over XL? 
Who cares what our old fired staff failed to develop? This is our coach’s first year and he was zeroed in on XL. What Rhule, Reich, and Rivera did in the past has nothing to do with Canales. XL fits what Canales wants to do. Let’s just let him build his team because it’s going to happen whether we like it or not. 

People seem to be forgetting the chasm between Herbert and Young (and Canales and Harbaugh for that matter). 

I'm with you, I don't see Legette as some classic project. KFD is off on this one in my estimation.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

People seem to be forgetting the chasm between Herbert and Young (and Canales and Harbaugh for that matter). 

I'm with you, I don't see Legette as some classic project. KFD is off on this one in my estimation.

Time will tell but most likely it will be another scenario where once again Panthers fans are disappointed.

Which, it won't even be that way anymore. It's an expectation.

[Ricky Prickles]

Coker is very interesting and deserves more in game reps to see just how far he can develop. He may very well be a diamond in the rough and we are foolish if we do not keep him out there now.

XL I believe will be fine but I'm probably biased due to personal reasons there. My boy was slightly overdrafted but will NOT bust. I know due to personal reasons and I know what kind of young man is behind the guy you are playing on Sundays. He may have some growing pains this season but he will put up some numbers and will continue to develop to the point that he will not be seen as a bust. But definitely don't take my word for it, just wait and see.

Mingo I am disappointed in so far. He occasionally flashes something that gives a slight glimmer of hope and then hits the ground with a thud it almost feels like. It's not time to give up on him as last year was tough for development with any WR having Bryce throwing to them so I've counted this season almost as Mingos rookie season 2.0. By seasons end i want to see Mingo contributing more and less errors or issues tracking balls in the air or basically being bitched by an opposing DB. I consider him a rookie again this season yet held to a slightly higher standard since he has done this before last season and is at least familiar with life in the NFL.

TE Sanders: Yep, bad game but he gets and needs more time to develop. You have a rookie who needs in game reps here so if you want to see what he can be in the future get him even more reps in this throw away season with a QB who of course is not an all pro but who is very capable of getting the ball to him through the air unlike Bryce is at all. Sanders needs more time and needs more game development time it's as simple as that and anyone who calls him a "bust" and "cut him" already is hot take jag-offc and there is a reason they have never been paid as any sort of coach or even managerial role in anything football related. Stick with pressing buttons on your keyboards in your little cubicles. You know, poo you actually know and do well since you are so quick to say cut Sanders after his 5th game at the NFL level. 

There's my analysis and/or hot takes but what do I know of course.