As fans have we unanimously concluded that Bryce Young IS THE PROBLEM

[mav1234]

16 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

The last thing I want to do is read what the average fan thinks.  Most can't think past the last game they watched.

Now we have people trying to say we were really pretty good last year and the whole problem was just Bryce.  The coaching staff, playcalling, play of the rest of the team was not good.  Giving up on a high draft pick after nearly killing him with 9 different starter at guard, horrible play calling and a below average run game is not a recipe for a rookie QB. 

I'm not blind.  His play the first two weeks of this season was awful and 100% is not good enough to play QB in the NFL, starter or backup.  If this is who he is and there is no hope for improvement then he'll be out of the league soon enough. 

Go watch the All 22 film.  There is a lot of horrible plays but there are also a lot of good one.  NFL level ability, throws and runs.  More than enough examples of good plays to say if he can play like that consistently then he can be an NFL starting QB.

It's very easy to see the biggest problem now is his confidence which has caused him to regress even more and make his good traits average or worse and his bad traits look like they can't be fixed.

We know he's a young kid.
We know last year the panthers did a horrible job putting in a position to be successful.
We know that our new head coach excels at helping and training QBs.
We know we've already paid a good deal of his contract.
We know he's very willing to learn and has a good attitude despite his situation.
We know he has the raw ability to play at this level because he has already done it.

There are a great number of reasons not to throw the kid out on his butt just yet.

We are at the bottom of the league.  We don't have the pleasure of throwing any potential away.

Worse case we miss out on a 4th or 5th round pick.  Best case, Canales is the real deal and he turns Bryce into the player he was in college but at the NFL level.

Bryce Young had one good football game.  Take that away, and you have maybe 2-3 NFL-level throws per game. Not elite or amazing throws; just NFL-level. He had maybe a handful across the entire season of plays that made me go "Damn, that was a great play."

QBs with a lot of talent find ways to shine even on bad teams. BY just didn't.  

Has a QB ever come back from such a disastrously bad start to his career?

[raleigh-panther]

He is finished in Carolina as the starting QB

the locker room has decided

no matter what fans think, or talking heads think, or the owner thinks, or the coaches want, or where anyone wants to place blame, deserved or not,  the locker room decided

these are grown men in a short term livelihood 

they will not support someone at a pro level who is nor. capable of  putting  money in their pockets 

he has done, and will do absolutely nothing at the pro level to change that.  He cant   Not who he is.  Big man’s game. Physically. Emotionally. Mentally 

[Gapanthersfan]

Johnson and Chuba would put a contract out on Bryce if he were to ever be made the starter again. They would lose millions 

[d-dave]

1 hour ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

It's not ideal, no. But I still think the primary reasons for his failure have been that all the things he was supposed to be great at just haven't translated to the NFL in any way. When you're not spotting obvious corner blitzes and making simple adjustments to protection you've got problems well beyond a few inches of height.

He's not the shortest NFL to find success.  The biggest issue Bryce faces is the mental aspect of it.  That was supposed to be his strength.  He was supposed to be a super processor.  He's not doing that.  He had moments his rookie year, but the offensive dysfunction/sacks of year 1 could have ruined him. 

I don't know if Bryce will bounce back.  I figure we'll see it at some point this year when Andy gets hurt.  He could be down to pick up his newspaper and be out 3-4 weeks with back spasms (been there!).  I hope not, I do like the Andy Dalton experience right now.  I'm also not in a hurry to see Bryce come out there and poop the bed repeatedly.  But there's a high likelihood of him having to play at some point this season.

I really do like Bryce as a person.  Seems super accountable.  But he's lost his mojo.  Got the yips.  Whatever you want to call it.  He's got to have some confidence in himself.  He's got to grab his nuts and man up.  He can have his faith, but it's meaningless until BRYCE does something about things he can control.

[strato]

A few minutes of Dalton forcing the defense to expand to normal defensive coverages, bingo. They are backed off. 

It is all it took to make things easier. 

[Green-Ghost]

Unfortunately,  It looks like Tepper and his management crew are the problem.

I am not a fan of, sacrificing your future to get a promising draft prospect.  

People may not remember when Iron Mike Ditka became coach of the Saints.  He traded away the Saints future draft picks, to draft Ricky Williams.  Ricky did not work out.

Tepper traded future for Bryce Young.  I understand the reasoning, “bring in the next talented QB”. (Bring in the next Patrick Mahomes.)

[Jackie Lee]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

He is finished in Carolina as the starting QB

the locker room has decided

no matter what fans think, or talking heads think, or the owner thinks, or the coaches want, or where anyone wants to place blame, deserved or not,  the locker room decided

these are grown men in a short term livelihood 

they will not support someone at a pro level who is nor. capable of  putting  money in their pockets 

he has done, and will do absolutely nothing at the pro level to change that.  He cant   Not who he is.  Big man’s game. Physically. Emotionally. Mentally 

I'm still trying to figure out the gap between a Bryce Young and a Stetson Bennet in the eyes of media and scouting. Aside from age and off the field behavior they are essentially the same player. 

[Green-Ghost]

Yes, I think Bryce Young was the problem.  Actually let me rephrase that Bryan was a major problem. However, I do not think it is Bryce Young’s fault.

I think Bryce Young was thrown into the deep end of the swimming pool and told to sink or swim.  I may be old-school, but I’m used to seeing new quarterbacks play a year or two behind a veteran.
 

I think that expectations were too high for a Bryce Young.  

[Green-Ghost]

8 minutes ago, Green-Ghost said:

Yes, I think Bryce Young was the problem.  Actually let me rephrase that Bryan was a major problem. However, I do not think it is Bryce Young’s fault.

I think Bryce Young was thrown into the deep end of the swimming pool and told to sink or swim.  I may be old-school, but I’m used to seeing new quarterbacks play a year or two behind a veteran.
 

I think that expectations were too high for a Bryce Young.  

Actually, come to think of it, Bryce Young is in the situation where I thought he should have started to begin with.  He is a back up quarterback to a veteran and learning the tricks of the trade behind the veteran.

Maybe he will turn out to be a good investment after all.

[kungfoodude]

18 minutes ago, Green-Ghost said:

Actually, come to think of it, Bryce Young is in the situation where I thought he should have started to begin with.  He is a back up quarterback to a veteran and learning the tricks of the trade behind the veteran.

Maybe he will turn out to be a good investment after all.

TBH, it's hard to really even see where the basis of being an NFL QB was.

IMO, he will be out of the league in 3-4 seasons.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

TBH, it's hard to really even see where the basis of being an NFL QB was.

IMO, he will be out of the league in 3-4 seasons.

Agreed.  It's the Josh Rosen career arc.  He will get another look from at least one more team.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Agreed.  It's the Josh Rosen career arc.  He will get another look from at least one more team.

I think after team #2 it will be very clear it is over. As you said, just like Rosen.

He isn't one of these guys like Fields/Darnold that has elite attributes(minus between the ears). He failed at both the intangibles and tangibles. There is zero upside.

[strato]

I have to say, we would have only prolonged the illusion by sitting him to learn. And that would have fuged us even more probably.

If you don't have the tools you just don't have them. 

The one thing that he could try is seriously rehabbing his mechanics and dumping any hint of the tippy toe and the jumping and that other horrible footwork.

We saw that he couldn't do it one offseason.

And if he does it, he is still too short to see from a pocket and too slow to play the out of pocket game successfully, I believe. He fits nowhere.