Andy Dalton QB School week 3

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I didn’t compare him to Rhule.  It’s merely a reference to how those perfect storm games can pop up when everything aligns for you on a random Sunday.  I merely referenced the last one as a reminder of them. .  Carolina went out west and steamrolled a team (both times) with everything going there way….but just like the last time we witnessed one of those games, most things point to that being more fluky than reality going forward 

Oakland’s defense played pretty poorly too. I think fans are just excited because there is a chance we can be competitive again on Sundays. The Bengals probably beat us, but with Dalton we probably beat bad teams more times than not IMO. I still see the 6 wins and will happily take them. 

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Completely agree. The way the Panthers won is repeatable. It wasn’t some fluke where the defense scored a touchdown or two and then special teams blocked a punt and returned one for a touchdown. It was a thorough beat down within the regular framework that a game operates. 

Dalton isn’t consistently making those throws though each Sunday.  D clearly isn’t going to do what they did…..all aligning together on the same Sunday. 
 

 

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Oakland’s defense played pretty poorly too. I think fans are just excited because there is a chance we can be competitive again on Sundays. The Bengals probably beat us, but with Dalton we probably beat bad teams more times than not IMO. I still see the 6 wins and will happily take them. 

Cam agrees.  Linked to timestamp but around 4:06

 

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Oakland’s defense played pretty poorly too. I think fans are just excited because there is a chance we can be competitive again on Sundays. The Bengals probably beat us, but with Dalton we probably beat bad teams more times than not IMO. I still see the 6 wins and will happily take them. 

We are better than with Bryce. I’m thrilled Andy is starting because I think XL, Mingo and Saunders will now have legit opportunities to grow. 

But a good football team isn’t something I’m going to pretend we are simply because we had a good Sunday.  We see what we saw last Sunday happen with teams like ours from time to time.  

same folks that few me as a Dalton basher will be calling be a Dalton defender when they swing hard the other way on him.  I’ve seen how that plays out 

 

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Cam agrees.  Linked to timestamp but around 4:06

 

Cam knows his poo. I’m sure they overlooked us too, but I will say to travel across the country and come out swinging like that (against a bad team or not) is still very impressive. 
 

Cam did call him “Allen” Theilen lol… 

Edited 7 hours ago by ForJimmy

[frankw]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I didn’t compare him to Rhule.  It’s merely a reference to how those perfect storm games can pop up when everything aligns for you on a random Sunday.  I merely referenced the last one as a reminder of them. .  Carolina went out west and steamrolled a team (both times) with everything going there way….but just like the last time we witnessed one of those games, most things point to that being more fluky than reality going forward 

Those games do exist I agree. Especially for us. As Panthers fans we've seen them. Sports equivalent of a fugazi.

At this point I don't think we can form much of a conclusion one way or another. We need to see more games to form a true perspective. There's nothing wrong with not buying in yet based off one win. There's also nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic.

For me I feel good about our chances going forward because it all starts with coaching. I really liked the way from top to bottom Canales and his staff operated and had the team motivated. Now we just need to see it replicated consistently. I do not expect to win a whole lot this season. Just give me positives and something to build on.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, frankw said:

Those games do exist I agree. Especially for us. As Panthers fans we've seen them. Sports equivalent of a fugazi.

At this point I don't think we can form much of a conclusion one way or another. We need to see more games to form a true perspective. There's nothing wrong with not buying in yet based off one win. There's also nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic.

For me I feel good about our chances going forward because it all starts with coaching. I really liked the way from top to bottom Canales and his staff operated and had the team motivated. Now we just need to see it replicated consistently. I do not expect to win a whole lot this season. Just give me positives and something to build on.

I just want Dalton to air it out and give XL and Mingo lots of different experiences .  I’m okay with turnovers in the name of experience…pending they are legit 50/50 opportunities that force them into make a play scenarios. 

It was fetal position football.  I think Dalton takes the shots a Canales O requires.  He did last game.   I’m a okay if that goes south on him several Sundays.  Unlike with Bryce, I think we best teams like the Bears and company with Dalton. 

[frankw]

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Oakland’s defense played pretty poorly too. I think fans are just excited because there is a chance we can be competitive again on Sundays. The Bengals probably beat us, but with Dalton we probably beat bad teams more times than not IMO. I still see the 6 wins and will happily take them. 

The Raiders may have overlooked us. But they are not the cellar team some talking heads are trying to label them to diminish our win. Last year they moved on from Derek Carr and then later on that same season proceeded to put up 63 points with an interim coach and Aidan O' Connell at QB. Can you even imagine us doing that in 2020 after cutting Cam? We've endured some of the lowest scoring games in franchise history just within the last season.

I'll take having something to feel positive about going forward and just competitive watchable football overall 10 times out of 10.

[Jackie Lee]

No shame from the media or locker room lol

 

[strato]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Dalton isn’t consistently making those throws though each Sunday.  D clearly isn’t going to do what they did…..all aligning together on the same Sunday. 
 

 

 

Not sure why you'd say that. There were a number of bad throws, so it wasn't perfect. Someone said dropped Ints but it wasn't like in their breadbasket just put where they could have made a play. 

This is with something like 3 days of reps with the first unit, no preseason ( a big deal to a lot of people).

Hadn't been on the field literally in a year. I think we are going to see a very similar Dalton in that regard. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

Not sure why you'd say that. There were a number of bad throws, so it wasn't perfect. Someone said dropped Ints but it wasn't like in their breadbasket just put where they could have made a play. 

This is with something like 3 days of reps with the first unit, no preseason ( a big deal to a lot of people).

Hadn't been on the field literally in a year. I think we are going to see a very similar Dalton in that regard. 

The TD to Johnson and to AT….were great.  But Andy ain’t consistently hitting those type throws.   If he could, he would not have spent the last half decade as a backup.  

[strato]

56 minutes ago, CRA said:

The TD to Johnson and to AT….were great.  But Andy ain’t consistently hitting those type throws.   If he could, he would not have spent the last half decade as a backup.  

Considering those were no doubt top level throws, you take those when they come.

I don't think you could say he can't make them; because he just did.  So maybe you say he doesn't consistently make them, I say 'who does?'. 

I don't see how you can look at the overall total picture and say that was backup QB flukey stuff and he'll not be able to do that on the regular. 

I am for sure not saying he won't miss some throws but what he showed is if he gets the protection he got and makes the right read I think he can eat like a top half of the league QB.

I am much more wary of less than perfect communication with the receivers as opposed to lack of physical execution. 

 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

Considering those were no doubt top level throws, you take those when they come.

I don't think you could say he can't make them; because he just did.  So maybe you say he doesn't consistently make them, I say 'who does?'. 

I don't see how you can look at the overall total picture and say that was backup QB flukey stuff and he'll not be able to do that on the regular. 

I am for sure not saying he won't miss some throws but what he showed is if he gets the protection he got and makes the right read I think he can eat like a top half of the league QB.

I am much more wary of less than perfect communication with the receivers as opposed to lack of physical execution. 

 

He can’t consistently make those type throws.  And him hitting several in one game….helped the perfect storm game be what it was.   And it wasn’t just that, it was pairing a passing performance you aren’t going to see most Sundays with a D performance you likely aren’t going to see each Sunday going forward too.  Oakland has the most pathetic rush attack in the NFL.   We can’t handle a run and our D falls apart trying to defend a run game 

[strato]

I think you are doing the devil's advocate for some reason. Maybe you are bored. 

Several? You mentioned two. Now it is several....

We're going to see, but he has a downgraded receiving complement this week, and downgraded protection. So expecting a replay is not realistic but I expect him to look like an NFL quarterback and the one we have that gives us a chance to win.