Multiple Trade Offers for Bryce

[grimesgoat]

35 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We can't absorb $8.1 mil in dead cap. We would have to somehow clear $7 mil in cap before the NFL would allow us to even make the trade. Otherwise we are over the cap.

Remember that we had to maniacally scramble to get under the cap prior to the season. 

This makes WAY more sense to deal with either in the offseason or after June 1st, 2025.

There is no real risk to the team. His value is already quite low and it dropping from something like a 4th to a 6th/7th is relatively meaningless. Additionally, we don't really have a valid backup option behind Dalton without him(arguably we don't WITH him either).

There is an 6m or 8m dead cap hit, but his cap number of 8m goes away.  Another player would then count against the cap, but that's likely only 1m or so.

[kungfoodude]

34 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

There is an 6m or 8m dead cap hit, but his cap number of 8m goes away.  Another player would then count against the cap, but that's likely only 1m or so.

The only thing that goes away is his base salary, which is very small.

[csx]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The only thing that goes away is his base salary, which is very small.

His base is 915,000 this year which barely dents that bonus money hitting all at once.

Edited September 25 by csx

[Shotgun]

I dont really care about draft picks or the money aspect. I do care about the fact that every single player and coach looked 100% better without Young playing.  

He seems like a good guy but is absolutely toxic when on the field. He needs to be gone yesterday. May we never see him play again.... unless its for the falcons.

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

I don't think we do this I believe Bryce has played his last snap here unless Dalton goes down, but if we did the prove it thing there is no way you can do 1 game. You would HAVE to do 4-6 games minimum. Imagine if we let him start week 17 and he lights it up and we decide to roll with him in 2025 and let Dalton walk as a FA, that's worse case scenario. 

Tis the Tepper Panthers way

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I dont really care about draft picks or the money aspect. I do care about the fact that every single player and coach looked 100% better without Young playing.  

He seems like a good guy but is absolutely toxic when on the field. He needs to be gone yesterday. May we never see him play again.... unless its for the falcons.

I don't think he is anything close to toxic. I think what you are seeing is just the fact that all of his teammates know he cannot do the job at the necessary level to win. So in that regard its demoralizing to watch him fail and the team suffer.

That doesn't necessitate his immediate removal, especially when removing him means that some of his teammates will likely be leaving with him or having to enter into contract negotiations during an active season.

[Shotgun]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think he is anything close to toxic. I think what you are seeing is just the fact that all of his teammates know he cannot do the job at the necessary level to win. So in that regard its demoralizing to watch him fail and the team suffer.

That doesn't necessitate his immediate removal, especially when removing him means that some of his teammates will likely be leaving with him or having to enter into contract negotiations during an active season.

That seems pretty toxic to me.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

That seems pretty toxic to me.

There are always going to be guys on every team that you just know don't have the ability to be relied on. Usually backup guys but sometimes starters. That's usually just a morale issue and not truly toxic. 

Toxic would be any of the Josh Daniels stints or Brian Flores. Those are scenarios where people are actively sowing division or torpedoing morale intentionally. 

Bryce is not intentionally doing anything. He just isn't confident or capable of doing the job.

So, with that, him just not being a starter essentially removes that. If he was actively toxic we would have lost against the Raiders because the morale was still ruined by his active negative presence.

I have experienced all of this in various workplaces. If you have a co-worker that just sucks at their job, it can impact morale negatively because you know everyone else has to either carry their load or the team as a whole is at a reduced level of effectiveness because of the weakness created by them. 

Toxic is wholly different. That's someone(as an example) pitting co-workers against each other for any number of reasons and essentially actively and intentionally destroying morale for their own reasons.

Bryce is not that latter thing.

[Shotgun]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

There are always going to be guys on every team that you just know don't have the ability to be relied on. Usually backup guys but sometimes starters. That's usually just a morale issue and not truly toxic. 

Toxic would be any of the Josh Daniels stints or Brian Flores. Those are scenarios where people are actively sowing division or torpedoing morale intentionally. 

Bryce is not intentionally doing anything. He just isn't confident or capable of doing the job.

So, with that, him just not being a starter essentially removes that. If he was actively toxic we would have lost against the Raiders because the morale was still ruined by his active negative presence.

I have experienced all of this in various workplaces. If you have a co-worker that just sucks at their job, it can impact morale negatively because you know everyone else has to either carry their load or the team as a whole is at a reduced level of effectiveness because of the weakness created by them. 

Toxic is wholly different. That's someone(as an example) pitting co-workers against each other for any number of reasons and essentially actively and intentionally destroying morale for their own reasons.

Bryce is not that latter thing.

 It's just semantics, anyone that kills the entire teams will to win is what I would consider toxic.  

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

 It's just semantics, anyone that kills the entire teams will to win is what I would consider toxic.  

Yes but he doesn't do that on the bench. Hence why your argument is basically completely invalid. 

If it had any validity to it, how did we win last Sunday? 

Edited September 25 by kungfoodude

[Shotgun]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes but he doesn't do that on the bench. Hence why your argument is basically completely invalid. 

If it had any validity to it, how did we win last Sunday? 

That's why I said on the field. Being on the sideline I guess is ok as long as he never plays again. That's why I would trade him though. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

That's why I said on the field. Being on the sideline I guess is ok as long as he never plays again. That's why I would trade him though. 

Well it's not really that relevant if he sees the field again. That means Andy is likely hurt and the remaining options available to us at QB offer very little hope of being competitive either. That's just the scenario we would be in if Bryce was here or not.

I am fine with trading him but in the offseason when it doesn't create a salary cap calamity that would now have to make our FO scramble like maniacs and possibly make bad contracts even worse. 

The medicine is in our mouths already, may as well just swallow it until the end of the season. The taste is going to be there regardless, and spitting it out likely means we are just going to get a future dose.

[CBDellinger]

He will have more value before the draft than he does in season.  That and the cap hit.  Unless some team offers up a sweetheart deal then keep him... for now.

[grimesgoat]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

The only thing that goes away is his base salary, which is very small.

his 2024 prorated 6m bonus is already counting in the salary cap.  converting it to dead money does not change that.  We call it dead money when the guy is gone, but before that we just call it signing bonus hitting the cap.

sportrac seems to suggest an in-season trade would not immediately accelerate the balance of dead money.  instead that would hit as dead money in 2025.  The rest of the guaranteed money is on his new team.