This is Beautiful

[strato]

9 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

The problem with last year's line was the interior got destroyed far too often (as in like pushed backwards several yards when pass blocking) and might be the reason that Bryce drops back way too deep for no reason every pass play.

I honestly didn't think Ickey played that terrible last year outside of his penalties. LG was awful and really put pressure on him to guard his guy while trying to help out on inside pass rushes also.

Not arguing the IOL. Will comment that Ickey's run blocking was poo as well which we know that should not be. That was him out there looking like half of what was in 2022. 

The drop backs, slow like that, I think it is so he can see. The jailbreaks didn't give him time to move anywhere and several sacks were because of that slow pitiful excuse for dropping and planting. 

I think it was vision, not there. Afraid to trust his arm, yep that is NFL open Bryce. Throw it. 

[outlaw4]

Night and day difference from last year. Still some protection breakdowns but seems more schematic than anything else. Lewis/Hunt are a godsend because to say the interior in 2023 was anything other than a sieve would be a lie. Yes, some sacks were on the QB but you're just setting up for failure when all the pressure is constantly coming right at your face. 

[TD alt]

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

BC could be ok there and Raym is at least a natural center.

Didn't know Raym played center. That's good to know.

Edited September 24 by TD alt

[MasterAwesome]

The kinda mediocre run blocking grades (other than Icky) combined with Sanders' poor YPC show how much credit Chuba deserves.  I like that Chuba is clearly the lead back, but Miles is still getting too many snaps for my taste...I'm excited for Brooks to hopefully kick him to the bench.

[Shotgun]

4 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

But we were told Bryce had no blocking 

Nobody and I mean nobody could have success with this line and these weapons.....except Andy f*ckin Dalton

[CPF4LIFE]

3 hours ago, HPPantherzfan said:

While this years O-line looks 1000 times better and I’m loving it.  I’m going to stop dogging on last years line.  After researching, Bryce was holding the ball way too long and on top of that he had the same bad habit he had to start this year, he was running into sacks.  I don’t think the o-line, or any player from last year, was as bad as lots of people want to make out they were.  

This.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

Entire line was dysfunctional last year but it was hard to believe that Ickey had regressed so much.  No way to argue that hunch as it was in direct conflict to game play.  Glad to see him and the entire line looking good so far.

[frankw]

Credit where it's due to Morgan and Canales had his input as well I'm sure.

[strato]

I'm thinking anything offense starts with Canales, and his people. 

Remember the deal where they brought all the scouts in and met with coaches to set parameters for player evaluation? Seems like I do.

Probably was a really important thing to do. And from what I see in Canales, he sweats the details. So would be able to give them a lot to lean on. Or into.

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, strato said:

Not arguing the IOL. Will comment that Ickey's run blocking was poo as well which we know that should not be. That was him out there looking like half of what was in 2022. 

The drop backs, slow like that, I think it is so he can see. The jailbreaks didn't give him time to move anywhere and several sacks were because of that slow pitiful excuse for dropping and planting. 

I think it was vision, not there. Afraid to trust his arm, yep that is NFL open Bryce. Throw it. 

So much of the play of ANY lineman is so incredibly dependent on the lineman playing beside him, make his assignment.  So incredibly important for an oline to play together as a unit.  

Last year was a perfect example that you can have excellent talent at the tackle spots,  yet it didn't seem like it because the unit wasn't capable of playing like a unit due to the lack of talent and constant rotation at both guard positions.  

[strato]

6 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

So much of the play of ANY lineman is so incredibly dependent on the lineman playing beside him, make his assignment.  So incredibly important for an oline to play together as a unit.  

Last year was a perfect example that you can have excellent talent at the tackle spots,  yet it didn't seem like it because the unit wasn't capable of playing like a unit due to the lack of talent and constant rotation at both guard positions.  

I agree but Ickey should maul on request one on one without any thought about anything. He has his man, drive that man. 

We watched him do that. Then we didn't. I blame him for that. Well, better to say he is responsible for himself in a one on one road grading assignment. (and wasn't handling it. Or I didn't see his best)

 

Edited September 24 by strato

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, strato said:

I agree but Ickey should maul on request one on one without any thought about anything. He has his man, drive that man. 

We watched him do that. Then we didn't. I blame him for that. Well, better to say he is responsible for himself in a one on one road grading assignment. (and wasn't handling it. Or I didn't see his best)

 

Athleticism speaking,   the matchups naturally favor the defensive line.  I'm not disagreeing, it's just not as easy as you're making sound. Am sure you know this though. 

[L-TownCat]

7 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

My worry on Colbert is that he may not make it the entire season and there's no solid plan B. 

Nobody but the team thought he was a solid plan A.  We’re playing with house money bro.

[strato]

16 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Athleticism speaking,   the matchups naturally favor the defensive line.  I'm not disagreeing, it's just not as easy as you're making sound. Am sure you know this though. 

I probably don't. I am not schooled on OL technique past the HS level and I was LB/G. We played a 61 it was fun.

I know that is his thing, the thing he does best and excelled at. And saw him do it in the league in 2022. And it was gone. Like the pass blocking screwed his run blocking up. I don't know. I just see.

Edited September 24 by strato