Brandon Marshall signs tender

[bleys]

Time and time again people say things like this, but they are all negated by the lack of big free agent success by the Panthers (= when they get signed, they flop) and the actual success in the draft for the Panthers.

I get your point. however, to think that is a solid excuse to say "oh well, we'll just keep shooting in the dark until we get lucky in the draft" doesn't bode well with me.

If our FO is that bad at bringing in FAs or we are just that unlucky.. it's time for a change. You have to be successful at finding FA players who will fit a hole your team is missing. You draft players to create your roster and fill holes with FA's. If you can't do one or both of those.. you suck, you need to go.

a similar (but opposite of the spectrum) of what you're saying is.. our coaching staff is great at bringing in FA's, but sucks at the draft..

doesn't make sense to keep that same FO in tact if they can't do their job. this would apply to the entire FO or just the GM or scout dept... whoever isn't cutting it, needs replaced.

[Henne Given Sunday]

john clayton just said he expects a deal for marshall within 48 hours. a 2nd and 4th could get it done!! please go to miami !!!

[bleys]

john clayton just said he expects a deal for marshall within 48 hours. a 2nd and 4th could get it done!! please go to miami !!!

but.....but.......but........ IT HAS TO BE A 1ST IN THIS YEARS DRAFT! OMGZZZ!

seriously though, if he goes for a 2nd and 4th, I'ma be pissed if we don't get him.. lol

in this situation, everyone has a right to be pissed because then Marshall was a VERYYYY real chance. fug the character excuse bullshit, Smitty has character issues, I love smitty but don't expect me to buy that bullshit...

[Wither]

I get your point. however, to think that is a solid excuse to say "oh well, we'll just keep shooting in the dark until we get lucky in the draft" doesn't bode well with me.

If our FO is that bad at bringing in FAs or we are just that unlucky.. it's time for a change. You have to be successful at finding FA players who will fit a hole your team is missing. You draft players to create your roster and fill holes with FA's. If you can't do one or both of those.. you suck, you need to go.

a similar (but opposite of the spectrum) of what you're saying is.. our coaching staff is great at bringing in FA's, but sucks at the draft..

doesn't make sense to keep that same FO in tact if they can't do their job. this would apply to the entire FO or just the GM or scout dept... whoever isn't cutting it, needs replaced.

Bringing in someone like Boldin would be a better signing than someone like Marshall, in my opinion of course.

Or better yet: lesser known receivers who have establihed they are decent (Lance Moore, for example) but who could turn out to be greater than expected.

[bleys]

whatever works for me.. you all just get to hear my frustration I've had for the last few years.

the excuses have to stop at some point. and when a guy like Marshall's talent is out there, I would at least like to think our FO is going for the guy..

Marshall has shown he will go to work even when he's not happy. that's a plus.

He has said he wants to clear up his off the field issues. thats a plus.

we have strong leadership with the Panthers. thats a plus.

he hasn't been in any real trouble for 2 years. thats a plus.

with that said, I have to say that if Marshall isn't looked at as a person of interest, then there is something seriously wrong with our philosophy. at times, you MUST take a chance. When you have had a GAPING hole in your team for YEARS, you really need to take that chance.

With a guy that I have pointed out the pluses above.. it's less of a chance than many are making it out to be. We aren't talking T.O., we are talking about a young guy who said he needs to mature and has shown he'll go to work when he's not happy.

we aren't talking OJ. we are talking about a young, extremely talented receiver who could fit right in here VERY well with the leadership we bring.

now. I doubt it happens. but to think looking towards the draft is the better option, you are taking a bigger chance than I am. You are expecting to not fill that hole for another 2 - 3 years while I am taking a chance on filling that hole and hoping our leadership is as strong as we claim it to be. if it's not as strong as we claim it to be, then well, at least we will have a new FO.. lol

oh, and that 2-3 year waiting period if we go draft only for this position.. is not because it will take 2-3 for our receiver to get good. it's because the chances are much more likely that it will take 2-3 years of drafting a WR each year to try to find one that is good. (basing this on our track record since the FO has been in office)

[Wither]

Well, I doubt the Panthers even want him and I dout they will sign a big FA, much less a WR. If it's convenient, I can see it happening, but if it requires too much effort/picks/money, I don't. This is especially true for this year.

[bleys]

that mentality is what erks me..

they should want him. I think I pointed out why.

but I don't doubt you, they probly won't even try. so we're going on 9 years without bringing in a quality receiver, whether through draft or FA..

I'm certainly not telling you that their habits will change.. it's to be expected. but to rationalize why they should go on 9 years without bringing in a good receiver is crazy to me.

[Wither]

that mentality is what erks me..

they should want him. I think I pointed out why.

but I don't doubt you, they probly won't even try. so we're going on 9 years without bringing in a quality receiver, whether through draft or FA..

I'm certainly not telling you that their habits will change.. it's to be expected. but to rationalize why they should go on 9 years without bringing in a good receiver is crazy to me.

Don't let it bother you. Someone is going to step up even if they don't get a FA WR. They have to. I'm pretty sure about this, even though I have no evidence or argument to back up my prediction. I'm fairly good at useless banter. :willy_nilly:

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Seahawks coach Pete Carroll put the ball in the Broncos' court Tuesday when asked about a possible trade for Brandon Marshall.

"We're just kind of waiting and seeing," said Carroll. "We're on alert, watching. It's an interesting situation so we'll just have to wait it out." SI.com's Peter King said Tuesday that one GM not interested in Marshall believes the Broncos can still get a top-35 draft pick in return, which we see as highly optimistic. Seattle's second-round pick is at No. 60overall.

Source: Seattle Times

[bleys]

Don't let it bother you. Someone is going to step up even if they don't get a FA WR. They have to. I'm pretty sure about this, even though I have no evidence or argument to back up my prediction. I'm fairly good at useless banter. :willy_nilly:

you and everyone else, but I hear ya.. lol

I hope like hell we draft a solid receiver.. I just don't see it happening, especially with our track record and that position typically taking 2-3 years to reach solid status.. factor those together and some people are getting their hopes up more so than any BM talk. lol

I hope it happens..

[DaCityKats]

after failing to develop a wr (from the draft)its time to do something else.maybe tolbert can do something different.....with that being said i would go after bmarsh.he is a beast,i keep replaying how he shitted on the cowhores on that 1 play.

[bleys]

after failing to develop a wr (from the draft)its time to do something else.maybe tolbert can do something different.....with that being said i would go after bmarsh.he is a beast,i keep replaying how he shitted on the cowhores on that 1 play.

you and I must be the only ones who recognize this.. insanity, what is it?

[Sword]

if he's still available during the draft and they can't get their guy through the draft..they may inquire for future picks..but don't expect any drastic moves until the draft begins...it's really the only time the panthers actively trade in the top rounds..

[jramsey4]

you and I must be the only ones who recognize this.. insanity, what is it?

Just because the rest of us have realized that all that can be said has been. Let it go bud. Its not going to happen, fussing about it isn't going to change that fact.