A closer look at the first sack

[PantherChris]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

JT did what he was supposed to do on this play. Cross the line and take the outside edge. It’s a cross line block and that’s his assignment… not the free rusher that Icky missed. It’s supposed to look like the run with the same motion. On the run play the TE goes to the outside. This was not on JT at all… it’s on Icky. 
 

with line play, you do your assignment as the play is drawn up and rely on your team mates to do the same. 

Agree to disagree, if this is a run he's coming across to lead block between the tackle and guard, and Mingo isn't releasing him....  regardless of assignment this is an awareness issue if he blocks the inside rusher Dalton easily has anther 2 seconds and a little hitch step up the outside rusher is 10+ yards from the QB he's not making a sack there.

[carpanfan96]

10 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Agree to disagree, if this is a run he's coming across to lead block between the tackle and guard, and Mingo isn't releasing him....  regardless of assignment this is an awareness issue if he blocks the inside rusher Dalton easily has anther 2 seconds and a little hitch step up the outside rusher is 10+ yards from the QB he's not making a sack there.

That’s not how line play works, you have your assignment and you execute that assignment and expect the players around you to do the same. You try to do too much and you make more mistakes. And no the run play has him going to the outside to crack the DE allowing the other linemen to slide blocking over towards the run direction. 
 

he 100% did what he was supposed to do and that sack isn’t on him at all. It’s on icky who made a mental mistake. “Which has been very common so far” 

[Ricky Spanish]

This was a blown play. Happens a lot at the beginning of the season.

If this kind of stuff is still happening consistently throughout the year like last year I'll be more concerned. But we saw about 10x as many of these kinds of plays at this point last year.

[Newtcase]

51 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

JT did what he was supposed to do on this play. Cross the line and take the outside edge. It’s a cross line block and that’s his assignment… not the free rusher that Icky missed. It’s supposed to look like the run with the same motion. On the run play the TE goes to the outside. This was not on JT at all… it’s on Icky. 
 

with line play, you do your assignment as the play is drawn up and rely on your team mates to do the same. 

I agree, I just stopped arguing about it.

[PantherChris]

2 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

That’s not how line play works, you have your assignment and you execute that assignment and expect the players around you to do the same. You try to do too much and you make more mistakes. And no the run play has him going to the outside to crack the DE allowing the other linemen to slide blocking over towards the run direction. 
 

he 100% did what he was supposed to do and that sack isn’t on him at all. It’s on icky who made a mental mistake. “Which has been very common so far” 

And you don't "know his assignment"

[Newtcase]

45 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

And you don't "know his assignment"

Neither do you but you’re being just as assertive.  Either way I think we could all agree that Sanders had a better option and Icky did nothing.

Edited September 23 by Newtcase

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

And you don't "know his assignment"

Actually I do, they ran this same action a few times during the game from a few different formations. One of the other times was from a two te set, JT cross formation outside block. 
 

Another reason I know that’s his assignment is it’s based off play action and one of the run play equivalents for that action from this formation is weak counter,  where the TE goes across formation and seals the edge player. 

the LT is supposed to kick in and let the edge player get chipped by the wr who’s going on a delayed check down route. The TE coming across picks that player up. The line should be moving left to right. 

 

[Newtcase]

10 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Actually I do, they ran this same action a few times during the game from a few different formations. One of the other times was from a two te set, JT cross formation outside block. 
 

Another reason I know that’s his assignment is it’s based off play action and one of the run play equivalents for that action from this formation is weak counter,  where the TE goes across formation and seals the edge player. 

the LT is supposed to kick in and let the edge player get chipped by the wr who’s going on a delayed check down route. The TE coming across picks that player up. The line should be moving left to right. 

 

I’m convinced, nice break down.