Keeping it real about Bryce Young. Listen to those who actually watched film.

[CRA]

16 hours ago, 7CLOWNS said:

So people forget, Plummer looked real bad those first two preseason games. Only time he looked decent, was after Young looked unstoppable. Remember those plays were against backups.

Don't be surprise if Andy looks better or worse, hey he didn't get any reps either during preseason. But the one thing Andy got going, he will take the risk. He will risk throwing more downfield, that alone should open things up. But take in account, Young was told when to take deep shots and when not to. There's the difference, Andy is a vet, he going do him, Young needs to learn only that, to be himself again.

You expect a brand new head coach to fix things over night. Especially one who really hasn't done anything but bankroll off the QB's he's been around. Did he actually have anything to do with their success?

Bryce has been playing poorly but he's not getting the help he needs. 

The real question, is this year's coaching staff better than last year's or worst?  

Same defense staff, but the defense is playing worse. 

 

 

 

 

  

I think Dalton initially looks better.  I suspect the Panther O looks a fair amount better this week.  But then teams will get film on an old bad QB in this system……and eventually, Bryce Young gets the nod again.  And Bryce will look slightly better.  That’s it.  Slightly better.  Which will keep this org from making a clear cut move and just adding some slight competition the next year 

which equals…..the worse case scenario.  That’s where we are headed because this is Carolina 

[The Lobo]

I’ve read two different reports today, one from David Newton and one from Jonathan Jones, both saying we aren’t done with Bryce. I don’t know what to believe anymore, I just know we shouldn’t go back to him. If we do, I hope he proves me wrong (I said this bs last year and this year as well) 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, strato said:

You know what narratives. I shouldn't have to help you with this.

They have been going on for a year about it isn't Bryce's fault. They use the same WR, OL bad coaching stuff. Never his fault always something else. poo is is all over this board and the media.

Look I will agree with you when Bryce Young goes somewhere, wins the starting job, and proves it was never his fault.

 

 

So all the analyst who broke down his rookie film have them same narrative lol. Damn Bryce must have a heck of a PR team for every single analyst come to same conclusion.

[frankw]

20 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

I’ve read two different reports today, one from David Newton and one from Jonathan Jones, both saying we aren’t done with Bryce. I don’t know what to believe anymore, I just know we shouldn’t go back to him. If we do, I hope he proves me wrong (I said this bs last year and this year as well) 

There is some conflicting information out there right now. I think the org is wanting to see how the team responds Sunday and proceed forward from there. Which makes sense. That being said the worst thing they can do is be indecisive after making this move. The locker room is upbeat. Everything going forward now should be about the development of our young roster in what looks to assuredly be another losing season because fans are beyond tired of this neverending cycle.

[uncfan888]

45 minutes ago, frankw said:

There is some conflicting information out there right now. I think the org is wanting to see how the team responds Sunday and proceed forward from there. Which makes sense. That being said the worst thing they can do is be indecisive after making this move. The locker room is upbeat. Everything going forward now should be about the development of our young roster in what looks to assuredly be another losing season because fans are beyond tired of this neverending cycle.

If the team comes out Sunday and actually looks like a somewhat competent offense with Dalton, there is no way they should go back to young. Even if Dalton gets hurt, I'd rather have Plummer in there or run the wildcat. That experiment is over

[CPF4LIFE]

Chris Simms still standing on business of what he said about bryce since pre draft. 

Interesting note: He mentions that based on who you talk to or im guessing who he has talked too he says Andy dalton outperformed bryce threw spring all the way to camp. But bryce was the first pick so that's who was the starter. 

 

 

 

 

[strato]

2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

So all the analyst who broke down his rookie film have them same narrative lol. Damn Bryce must have a heck of a PR team for every single analyst come to same conclusion.

Let me start asking YOU some stuff. You can answer and you can defend YOUR position. Bring it.

What fuging difference does what an analyst says matter when the guy shows you who he is? 

Have you watched the 2024 film analysis from numerous independent sources and not ESPN?

What did they have to say? The stuff is all over the place here . Warner. Chase Daniels. 

And what might it tell you that the dude that does QB school, did not even bother to make one for Young? But check his week one edition. 

 

 

[GoobyPls]

42 minutes ago, strato said:

Let me start asking YOU some stuff. You can answer and you can defend YOUR position. Bring it.

What fuging difference does what an analyst says matter when the guy shows you who he is? 

Have you watched the 2024 film analysis from numerous independent sources and not ESPN?

What did they have to say? The stuff is all over the place here . Warner. Chase Daniels. 

And what might it tell you that the dude that does QB school, did not even bother to make one for Young? But check his week one edition. 

 

 

So the film analyst doesn’t matter now?

 

Let me get this straight Daniels, Warner, O’Sullivan, Palmer, Orlovsky ect…. all watched Bryce rookie film all came to pretty much the same conclusion, but now that conclusion doesn’t matter cause he’s a completely different QB playing with zero confidence these past two games.

[strato]

You didn't answer any of those questions.

Edited September 22 by strato

[MRenshaw]

"He's constantly breaking the pocket... He leaves the pocket quicker than Diddy runs out of baby lotion, this means he creates sacks, which naturally enrages his teammates, because it looks like they're not doing their job... The offensive line, the receivers, the defense, all the coaches, everybody is affected, they all look bad because of you..."

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Chris Simms still standing on business of what he said about bryce since pre draft. 

Interesting note: He mentions that based on who you talk to or im guessing who he has talked too he says Andy dalton outperformed bryce threw spring all the way to camp. But bryce was the first pick so that's who was the starter. 

 

 

 

 

No wonder the team came out flat week 1

[chbright]

All these ex-players coming out and showing how bad Bryce has been came after our announcement. The announcement Monday opened the door to let them say it without getting the brand that is the NFL to lash out. They don't want a #1 to fail, quite the opposite. Its drama, but not in a good way. For the NFL Bryce getting benched is not a good look, just like his play. Lets think on the timeline here in 2024

The video evidence was there last year. Internally, they got a good chance to review it throughout the season and really well after it ended. Upon review, out goes Fitt cause the NFL tape and the evaluation didn't match up.  Morgan must have done one hell of a not my guy sales pitch or at least explained learning from it very damn well and what the next QB may look like if Bryce didn't improve. 0% chance the coaches, Tepper, Morgan, exc went into 2024 without starting to plan the next steps if Bryce didn't correct his course and some big strides in 2024. It's bad business to just stick to a bad stock or employee without an out, even when you like the stock or employee. Performance trumps all. They had to start at least a framework of what to do if Bryce did not improve base on the gap between expectations and output in 2023. And they did things internally to help evaluate the offense as a whole before just a straight 1 and done season from Bryce. They improved the cast with proven commodities to see where gaps were.

Externally others had time to look over the 2023 film in depth. Analysts, reporters worth a damn, other players, and want to be football nerds had some tough pills to swallow if they took a stance that Young was the right guy coming into the 2023 draft. A lot took steps back from the stance he was a super processor guy that can overcome physical shortcomings. They had another target to ease their miss from the 2022-2023 draft cycle: Tepper. Damn well they should for this mess and so much more before 2023. But Bryce's NFL flaws were shown, and the team made the exact effort the masses claimed was the real problem: supporting cast needed upgrades. And guess what, Morgan did that. A proven OG pair, another proven WR (so 2 legit WRs, even though Chark was a legit deep threat too), heavy O draft. Brought in Canales for a guy that has promise as an offensive mind to help out. Think this is part of a larger plan to get all the parts of the offense together while the QB is cheap to evaluate the QB and start over if required so the next years have good support for any QB. They did not use Fitts vision of the QB lifting meh into greatness. 

Then you have game 1 against the Saints to start 2024. Arguably one of Bryce's worst games out of his 1st 17 games kicked off the year. The upper management's fears were on display and that offseason backup plan was squarely on the table to find a new QB. I'd speculate they had a meeting the following days to start talking about what triggers moving on. Coming off the heels of a really bad 2023, and an offseason where he needed to take a mental break for a sec and catch some Netflix. Yeah that's not a bad idea for a guy that's been through the grind and needs a wee bit of time to unwind. The issue is we are not talking about a vet here or someone that just had a bad year after a few years in. We are talking about a guy who didn't process the game at the right speed all last year taking a break...... The bad performances last year coupled with the offseason broke folks. Dante and Thielen are workaholics. They are not the Randy Moss type that it comes natural to. Thielen isn't some physical freak and Dante is a gym rat to get there. Others mentioned body language of other players from 2023 and 2024 practice. I think the locker room had enough DURING game 1. A guy that didn't have it last year, didn't go 100% in through the last game till game 1 of 2024 really would rub those type of players the wrong way and start escalating from soft whispers in 2023 to visible and vocal signs in 2024.

Enter game 2, which was the worse of his 18-game career. There was not time to watch the Chargers film and change Canales' mind from the Sunday post-game comments. I think it was more likely a sit down of the front-line leaders (coaches) with the executive team (Morgan and Co) with the CEO (Tepper) and they all agreed to start the process of evaluating the team and start filling the QB role with someone other than Young. Due to the way the NFL works, Bryce isn't out like a typical employee, but it would take one hell of a turnaround for him to stick here long term. 2nd they had the rest of the locker room to contend with. Continuing to let Young out there was pretty much hurting both sides getting later pay checks due to the bad results which was perceived as bad players (something they heard to round out 2023). Alos you have a staff that cannot police bad play as the #1 overall why should the rest give 110%/ make the business decision to stay healthy while collecting checks. Now if they see signs of growth in practice in all forms from Bryce, he can come back and win back a locker room. Right now the tone suggest relief that its not Bryce as QB (ouch).

Then you have the big bandwagon of Chase Daniels, Kurt Warner and the like agree with this move from the team on Monday. They saw it possible in review of 2023 and the reports from Bryce, players going on during the offseason and camp. They saw the gaps that were there from 2023 tape, so seeing it again and worse made it easy for that bunch to really lay into why we did this Monday. Crazy Steve A is always going to take a hot take that stirs the drama pot because it gets eyes and talk which equals $$$$$. Others follow that stick too. That group have a correct take on Tepper' failures and issues, but Bryce's failures are also true and they need to admit that too.

As for Bryce getting blindsided by this, I can buy a part of it, but one part cannot be left alone. No way the issues we continue to see are never told to him and nothing is going on to help. In no way could a regular employee think if the performance to expectation gap continued to be so large that nothing was going to happen. 18 games almost all well below expectation and needs. So there was a reconning on the horizon and here we are, Bryce should have expected something based on so many bad performances and 2 of the worst this year and the feedback. Now the part I believe. He didn't have a seat in the all-hands call Monday morning, his level doesn't get in that meeting. Also, you generally don't tell a new guy, hey we are looking at firing/benching you this early (AKA preseason here). So I can buy he was told closer to the press conference on Monday, and they didn't tell him earlier as the all hands call with the coaches on up sealed the deal Monday morning.

[Jackie Lee]

5 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Chris Simms still standing on business of what he said about bryce since pre draft. 

Interesting note: He mentions that based on who you talk to or im guessing who he has talked too he says Andy dalton outperformed bryce threw spring all the way to camp. But bryce was the first pick so that's who was the starter. 

 

 

 

 

Simms victory lap! lol. Keyshawn was another dude that stuck to his guns from day one about him being too small. Even Morgan when asked about all the CB swaps a few weeks ago said it's a big mans game....

[Jackie Lee]

3 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Simms victory lap! lol. Keyshawn was another dude that stuck to his guns from day one about him being too small. Even Morgan when asked about all the CB swaps a few weeks ago said it's a big mans game....

At the same time Simms chill out you are screwing with our trade value!