At what point does the NFL competition committee speak with Tepper

[KillaCamNewton]

2019 - Firing Rivera was the right choice. His tenure had clearly run its court

2020 offseason - Luke retired. Cam had a lot of question marks and a lot of his money coming due. I didnt agree with releasing him and still don’t but it was at least understandable. Rebuild was coming and he hired a college coach that successfully rebuilt 2 dead college programs. Signed a decent QB that was never intended to be long term answer but was a game manager and was familiar with the offense

2020 season - By all accounts the team over-performed. We were expected to be the worst team in football but were pretty much in every game. This was despite our best player CMC missing the bulk of the season. Draft picks like Chinn looked like stars and Brown at least looked the part. Burns had a solid year. Robbie Anderson and DJ Moore with Samuel looked like a very good receiving corps for the future. The clear flaw on the team looked to be Teddy. Which brings us to…

2021 offseason - We look to have a very solid young core of players, but looks like we need to upgrade the QB position if we want to contend. We trade for a talented QB in Darnold who at the time seemed to be a victim of being in the QB graveyard with the Jets. Relatively low risk move since it only requires a 2nd round pick. Draft the best corner in the draft as we are in a division with Tom Brady still and one of our biggest problems the year before was getting off the field on 3rd down

2021 - Start 3-0. Darnold looks good. Defense looks elite. Burns and Reddick are a nightmare for QBs and secondary looks stout with Horn immediately looking elite. Team looks ready to compete and starts making “win now” moves like trading for Henderson and Gilmore. CMC gets hurt and the wheels fall off Darnold. Horn out for the year too. Sitting at 5-5 and Darnold is hurt but playoffs are reachable so we sign Cam. Cam thrown into a new offense halfway through the season after sitting on the couch and the results are expected and season goes off the rails but there is clearly still alot of talent on the roster

2022 offseason - Darnold doesnt appear to be the answer so we trade for Mayfield who everyone agrees is a clear upgrade. Draft elite linemen prospect in the draft as the skill position players are still good as a whole. Also sign solid OL free agents to finally fix the biggest issue on the team
 

2022 season - Mayfield bombs. Rhule loses team, season starts horribly and Rhule gets fired after 5 games. Time to finally rebuild the right way…instead team rallies around Wilks. We trade CMC and get a ransom of picks, team finishes strong behind power run system and we end up playing for the division in the 2nd to last game

2023 offseason - Team is built to be a solid 6-9 win team, but now we find ourselves in a division with Tom Brady retired and Derrek Carr, Baker Mayfield, and Desmond Ridder as the QBs and the Saints and Bucs look like their window is closed. If we can finally get the right QB to pair with a solid defense and running game we can have the division handled until the other teams find their long term QB. We hire a QB whisperer coach and go all in on getting our QB and draft the one that is pretty much the universal consensus best choice

2023 season - Disaster. QB we went all in for busts. Coach is over his head. OLine doesnt fit the system, and we got rid of players that could have helped the QB in order to get the draft capital to get him. Coach fired halfway through. Hard to blame the QB for a failed experiment all around and too early to give up on him

2024 offseason - build around the QB and put all resources into improving everything around him. Draft a receiver, hire a QB whisperer coach, use free agency to upgrade the OLine at the expense of leaving the bucket empty on defense

2024 season - QB clearly the problem and here we are

 

it’s easy to look back and see that Tepper (assuming he calls the shots) managed to get every single move wrong but I think the context and the situations we were in at the time at least makes them reasonable and understandable. Hindsight is always easy when you look back. If it means anything at least he is willing to admit a mistake once its obvious and immediately cut bait. But to be honest when you look back on things Im not sure how much differently I would have done them. The biggest mistake was thinking that because we hit on some draft picks and somewhat overperformed in 2020 it made him reverse course on the rebuild and immediately start trying to win now. Biggest change I would have made was letting Teddy play out his 3 years while still building the roster and then deciding whether we were ready to go all in or whether we needed to wait for the right QB. I think seeing the young talent we had and starting 3-0 in 2021 made the organization believe they were just a player or a move away from being able to contend immediately

[MechaZain]

29 minutes ago, csx said:

Most here were gung ho about trading up saying things like "If we miss it won't hurt that bad. Look at the 49ers.". It's like nobody actually considered the chance it wouldn't work becuase it was the beloved draft. (Which I think many like more than the game).

It was the right move just the wrong pick

[DJ feed me moore]

It would literally take like 5 straight years of having no.1 overall for them to maybe even consider getting involved.

[Tr3ach]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

laughing stocks have always existed in the NFL

 

We literally had the same record as the Jets since he took over until yesterday.  So we have been tied for the worst record since he took over until yesterday.  Don't get me wrong, it sucks being there, but these people acting like it's historically bad and the NFL is going to step in are delusional.   There is always going to be a worst team in the NFL, unfortunately right now that's us.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, KillaCamNewton said:

2019 - Firing Rivera was the right choice. His tenure had clearly run its court

2020 offseason - Luke retired. Cam had a lot of question marks and a lot of his money coming due. I didnt agree with releasing him and still don’t but it was at least understandable. Rebuild was coming and he hired a college coach that successfully rebuilt 2 dead college programs. Signed a decent QB that was never intended to be long term answer but was a game manager and was familiar with the offense

2020 season - By all accounts the team over-performed. We were expected to be the worst team in football but were pretty much in every game. This was despite our best player CMC missing the bulk of the season. Draft picks like Chinn looked like stars and Brown at least looked the part. Burns had a solid year. Robbie Anderson and DJ Moore with Samuel looked like a very good receiving corps for the future. The clear flaw on the team looked to be Teddy. Which brings us to…

2021 offseason - We look to have a very solid young core of players, but looks like we need to upgrade the QB position if we want to contend. We trade for a talented QB in Darnold who at the time seemed to be a victim of being in the QB graveyard with the Jets. Relatively low risk move since it only requires a 2nd round pick. Draft the best corner in the draft as we are in a division with Tom Brady still and one of our biggest problems the year before was getting off the field on 3rd down

2021 - Start 3-0. Darnold looks good. Defense looks elite. Burns and Reddick are a nightmare for QBs and secondary looks stout with Horn immediately looking elite. Team looks ready to compete and starts making “win now” moves like trading for Henderson and Gilmore. CMC gets hurt and the wheels fall off Darnold. Horn out for the year too. Sitting at 5-5 and Darnold is hurt but playoffs are reachable so we sign Cam. Cam thrown into a new offense halfway through the season after sitting on the couch and the results are expected and season goes off the rails but there is clearly still alot of talent on the roster

2022 offseason - Darnold doesnt appear to be the answer so we trade for Mayfield who everyone agrees is a clear upgrade. Draft elite linemen prospect in the draft as the skill position players are still good as a whole. Also sign solid OL free agents to finally fix the biggest issue on the team
 

2022 season - Mayfield bombs. Rhule loses team, season starts horribly and Rhule gets fired after 5 games. Time to finally rebuild the right way…instead team rallies around Wilks. We trade CMC and get a ransom of picks, team finishes strong behind power run system and we end up playing for the division in the 2nd to last game

2023 offseason - Team is built to be a solid 6-9 win team, but now we find ourselves in a division with Tom Brady retired and Derrek Carr, Baker Mayfield, and Desmond Ridder as the QBs and the Saints and Bucs look like their window is closed. If we can finally get the right QB to pair with a solid defense and running game we can have the division handled until the other teams find their long term QB. We hire a QB whisperer coach and go all in on getting our QB and draft the one that is pretty much the universal consensus best choice

2023 season - Disaster. QB we went all in for busts. Coach is over his head. OLine doesnt fit the system, and we got rid of players that could have helped the QB in order to get the draft capital to get him. Coach fired halfway through. Hard to blame the QB for a failed experiment all around and too early to give up on him

2024 offseason - build around the QB and put all resources into improving everything around him. Draft a receiver, hire a QB whisperer coach, use free agency to upgrade the OLine at the expense of leaving the bucket empty on defense

2024 season - QB clearly the problem and here we are

 

 

Problem is we don't identify the problems correctly.  Start with the first year you mentioned. 

2020.  Problem identified as Teddy B as you said.  In reality, Teddy B was perfectly positioned and paid to be a bridge QB.  The real problem, was Matt Rhule wasn't capable of doing NFL basics.  Practicing, game prep, etc.   So you got a know nothing overseeing an all college staff.   We weren't being an NFL team during the week.  Which Teddy called out after he was thrown under the bus and was right about.  We got off a plan into free wheeling nothingness of forever rebuilding and winning now all at the same. Fast forward to that camp where cameras got access for the first time in COVID.....and it was 100% obvious Rhule was just a clown drowing. 

and all skip to your last 

2024 season - QB deemed the clear problem.  In reality, we have a front office and leadership problem.  This franchise hasn't had a legit plan of action with good folks at the top since the day it fired Ron Rivera.  The fact Bryce Young was benched week 2 and the offseason was handled like it was, preseason was handled like it was and our QB room looked the way it did just confirms that.   This present team at the top, is still a mismatch of Tepperism.   The clear cut problem is you got David Tepper just randomly throwing people together and calling all the big shots too much.  Each year we carve out a problem and assign it all the blame and excuse everyone that remains

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, TheBigKat said:

overall Tepper has been a BAD NFL owner that’s dragging down the other 31 billionaires

Yeah, that's not happening. The NFL has signed more and bigger TV rights contracts. Despite the losing, the Panthers have increased in value since Tepper bought the team. The NFL is a money making machine still.

[Jon Snow]

54 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

I hope they would.  There has to be some way to get Tepper out of NFL ownership.

 

Tepper just needs someone that has experience making decisions for him that's above the GM. That would completely remove him from the decision making.  Solves everyone's problems including Tepper. 

[KillaCamNewton]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

Problem is we don't identify the problems correctly.  Start with the first year you mentioned. 

2020.  Problem identified as Teddy B as you said.  In reality, Teddy B was perfectly positioned and paid to be a bridge QB.  The real problem, was Matt Rhule wasn't capable of doing NFL basics.  Practicing, game prep, etc.   So you got a know nothing overseeing an all college staff.   We weren't being an NFL team during the week.  Which Teddy called out after he was thrown under the bus and was right about.  We got off a plan into free wheeling nothingness of forever rebuilding and winning now all at the same. Fast forward to that camp where cameras got access for the first time in COVID.....and it was 100% obvious Rhule was just a clown drowing. 

and all skip to your last 

2024 season - QB deemed the clear problem.  In reality, we have a front office and leadership problem.  This franchise hasn't had a legit plan of action with good folks at the top since the day it fired Ron Rivera.  The fact Bryce Young was benched week 2 and the offseason was handled like it was, preseason was handled like it was and our QB room looked the way it did just confirms that.   This present team at the top, is still a mismatch of Tepperism.   The clear cut problem is you got David Tepper just randomly throwing people together and calling all the big shots too much.  Each year we carve out a problem and assign it all the blame and excuse everyone that remains

Dont disagree at all. In hindsight like I said Teddy should have played out his 3 year deal

the mistake was thinking we were sitting on a gold mine on young talent (which wasnt necessarily wrong) and thinking simply upgrading the QB position would immediately make us contenders. I think Chinn looking like a future hall of famer his rookie year and Burns having his breakout year made them think they didnt need a rebuild anymore

[Johnstonny]

I mean...how can you show up to the yearly owners meeting with this poo... 

Edited September 17 by Johnstonny

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Johnstonny said:

I mean...how can you show up to the yearly owners meeting with the smallest dick... 

[panther252]

Every day I pray to wake up hoping for the news of Tepper being busted for some underground drug trafficking ring or some racial tirade of some sorts just so he's forced to sell.

[PleaseCutStewart]

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

Saints fans used to wear bags on their heads for years. It's going to take way more than sucking on the field for them to force Tepper's hands. 

With how inept Tepper is, us Panthers fan might be wearing bags on our heads for decades...

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, panther252 said:

Every day I pray to wake up hoping for the news of Tepper being busted for some underground drug trafficking ring or some racial tirade of some sorts just so he's forced to sell.

I'm to the point that I'm not even sure that will work. I mean... Freaking Bob Kraft got caught human trafficking (unfortunately the evidence was obtained illegally) and literally didn't even get a slap on the wrist from the NFL...

[Riverboat Ron]

1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

It was the right move just the wrong pick

I knew it was over the moment we didn’t take Stroud.