Canales presser

[CPF4LIFE]

5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Sure but I'm just arguing tanking to 1 is not gonna solve anything if you can't pick the right guy.

Well that's true. Canales should be able to pick the guy that fits his system the best. And it's good chance that guy won't be a undersized anomaly.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

It was Tepper.  You take Canales post game talk + Monday meeting + benching = Tepper. Then the fact Canales refuses to comment on what went into it and the convo with Tepper speaks volumes.  Because if your owner had nothing to do with it....you EASILY could just say that.  But he can't.  And isn't.   Reading the tea leaves under Tepper has been easy.  People just overthink it. 

which I think is fine.  the benching is the right call in reality.  

but as I joked in another thread, the actual red flag in all this....is the Canales QB whisperer stuff IMO was always overstated bologna.  Geno rebounded because he went to long standing winning org in Seattle.  Baker just returned to being Baker.  Argued that this offseason.   Canales had all offseason with Bryce....and made Bryce worse.   Now, I don't think he NEEDS to be the legendary QB whisperer he was painted coming in by the fanbase.  But that narrative probably should be put to bed for a bit. 

exactly--good points. Canales might have been under the impression that he was expected to fix Bryce and that benching him after 2 games would seem that he was surrendering early, and when he met with Tepper he was given his blessing, but Canales did not flop in 24 hours.  If his decision was based on the film, and I do not think it was, then he would have said, I need to watch the film.

[ClawOn]

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

I think we improve dramatically offensively with Dalton, probably enough to push us out of a top five pick.

Oh no.   And we have to watch competitive football this season? 

Everyone knows the only way to get a QB is top 5.  Josh Allen at 7 and Mahomes at 10?  Irrelevant right?

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

Well that's true. Canales should be able to pick the guy that fits his system the best. And it's good chance that guy won't be a undersized anomaly.

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[frankw]

8 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

 

Dear lord, this is still the most misunderstood topic. Tanking has never been players or coaches. That’s call point shaving.

The Dolphins were a marquee example of tanking they traded away their best players in Tunsil, Fitzpatrick and others. They got to multiple playoff years with all the talent they acquired with all the picks and cap space (like trading for Hill and paying him).

We had the chance to tank in 2022 and screwed it up royally and we are in the dumpster for it. We should have traded Moore for GB’s 1st (pick 15 or 16), Burns for the Rams 2 1sts and 2nd and anyone else with a pulse. Instead we just traded CMC to get a 2nd, which was thrown into Young deal, and some late poo and had enough talent for Wilks to get us pick 9. The rest is history.

Again, tanking happens in all sports. That’s were you trade your assets that won’t really help your middling team for future draft picks. We decided to FAFO buy trading our best assets for poo. 2-15 teams should be tanking not giving up pick 1 in 2024 and pick 33 in 2025 while also trading their best 3 players for 1 2nd.

Between you and me brother I don't even want the first pick again. Top 5-10 is fine for us to take another shot. Let the chips fall where they may and let Canales and Morgan pick their QB (with a heavy emphasis on physical talent that can't be taught) and see if it works out this time.

Edited September 16 by frankw

[WhoKnows]

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

And where are they now?  They got a roster loaded with high salary players including a mid QB that needs to retire.  Do you have any examples where this worked?

Where they are is a lot better off than us. They could decide to trade up and get a QB to replace Tua if he retires. I’d kill to be in Miami’s situation right now. If they had taken Herbert instead of Tua, things might be interesting and that’s what a top pick does for you. We had our chance in last year’s draft and we screwed it up and it was made far worse because we didn’t really tank in 2022 so we doubled down on bad decisions.

Stroud may never win a SB. Does that mean that Houston shouldn’t have traded away Watson for picks? Luck never won a SB, was Indy wrong for tanking with Curtis Painter while Peyton was out for the year?

When Brady and Mahomes have won 6 of the last 10 SBs, there aren’t a lot of examples to work with here.

[WhoKnows]

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

Between you and me brother I don't even want the first pick again. Top 5-10 is fine for us to take another shot. Let the chips fall where they may and let Canales and Morgan pick their QB (with a heavy emphasis on physical talent that can't be taught) and see if it works out this time.

I want the top pick again. I just want the idiots in charge to not pick a midget because our GMs came from Seattle and fell in love with a guy they thought could be Russell Wilson instead of the guy who could make all the throws and played well against top college Ds with tons of day 1/day 2 talent.

Look at Indy and Tennessee. I’m not really sure their QBs will amount to much even if I’d rather take a chance with them over Young. Those two teams had no chance at Stroud. We did.

[MHS831]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think Canales thought there was any chance Tepper was going to give his blessing to bench Bryce this early when he gave that answer yesterday. Trust and believe benching Bryce after these two games isn't something you'd have to force on a coach.

Based on his answer, I do not either--my point was that his answer was confident and firm--he is not a waffler, to the best of my knowledge.  Maybe he felt that he was wedged between what he needed to do and what they owner would defend--I dunno--but when they got together, Tepper supported the coach, not Bryce.  I think we are on the same page--but it doesn't matter--we will never know.

 

[ForJimmy]

17 minutes ago, frankw said:

Between you and me brother I don't even want the first pick again. Top 5-10 is fine for us to take another shot. Let the chips fall where they may and let Canales and Morgan pick their QB (with a heavy emphasis on physical talent that can't be taught) and see if it works out this time.

Yeah pick 5 would be a breath of fresh air and less embarrassing on draft day.  We won't have to see charts of what all we gave up for a player than got benched and is already being replaced.  I'd love pick 5 vs pick 1....  It would also show a trend in the right direction. 

[SCMunnerlyn1]

At some point some questions need to be asked about defense as well. Definitely not good enough there either. 

 

Adjusting for an average offense I still think they look like a top 25 unit at best right now. 

Edited September 16 by SCMunnerlyn1

[MtnJax]

51 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

that optimistic poo went out the window after just 2 games, kindof funny if you think about it

Bryce broke Canales and turned him from being an optimist bully into just a bully lmao

[Loyalty4Life]

Texans had Bryce ahead of Stroud.

Meeting with your boss isn't meddling.

Coaches and GMs have made all of our draft picks.

We did land on the moon.

9/11 was not an inside job.

Dunning-Kruger is rampant with NFL fans.

The sun will shine again in Panther land.

 

 

Edited September 16 by Loyalty4Life

[Jmac]

2 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

Bryce will be #2.  Will not bring in another QB right now

#2 holding a clip board and having 24 million in his account.....no problem.

[Jmac]

2 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Wow, if that isn't a "I give up on this bum" type of answer, I don't know what is. This is leading me to believe that he hasn't been working hard if a coach says this during a presser

He didn't do sh%t during the off season except hang out and it showed. Sort of reading Young the "riot act". His work regimen isn't acceptable.