Where Would We Be Right Now if We Had Drafted CJ Stroud instead of Bryce Young??

[RJK]

He’d be a bust. Carolina is where offense goes to die 

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5 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Me? 

Is impossible to say hiw things turned out...between the coaching and lack of execution issues? 

Go ahead. Show me you thoughts that you can stand on that hold any water. 

I have done that so many times in this little galaxy here. But once again... in probably different words but there are only so many ways you can explain un-athletic by league standards, tiny by league standards, vs not. If a person doesn't want to look at the way things are, I can't keep doing it for them. 

Stroud has a better outcome in any NFL environment, great or horrible because he is a better passer with NFL size. 

Give them the same roster, he will beat Young out head to head. He is a fit for the league and Young does not fit the league. 

 

[Waldo]

9 hours ago, strato said:

I couldn't understand the Bryce love just, at all. Probably because I had no bias from watching Alabama games (or OSU). I only looked at college QBs because it became important.

But the personal feelings of loyalty? Why? What has he done? Earn it.

 

edit: IOW, CJ is better, would been better here. I do not believe Bryce would have succeeded anywhere last year - or this year. It is the NFL, a big man's game (lol Damn Morgan). 

I don't watch college ball at all. I watched 5 minuets of Bryce breakdowns when the trade went doen and knew he was going to bust at this level. It was all there to see and all the people raving about him baffled me completely. I think people get caught in that levels hype and can't get past the stuff that really doesn't matter in the NFL. I just see it as practice and would be fine looking at a guy who won half the games but was coachable into an NFL player. That level really does not produce the same quality product it used to and with NIL it looks to have taken another quality hit so teams have to look at being able to do what the schools didn't do in the player development.

I don't think Stroud fixes all the issues last year, and there were some toxic ones, but he could make enough plays that we could have beat the Bucs 9 points in the last game that I actually sat through in Tampa.

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There are some excellent points in that post. It's just a sad situation for the little guy (meaning we fans not Bryce lol).

 

[Shotgun]

22 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I don't watch college ball at all. I watched 5 minuets of Bryce breakdowns when the trade went doen and knew he was going to bust at this level. It was all there to see and all the people raving about him baffled me completely. I think people get caught in that levels hype and can't get past the stuff that really doesn't matter in the NFL. I just see it as practice and would be fine looking at a guy who won half the games but was coachable into an NFL player. That level really does not produce the same quality product it used to and with NIL it looks to have taken another quality hit so teams have to look at being able to do what the schools didn't do in the player development.

I don't think Stroud fixes all the issues last year, and there were some toxic ones, but he could make enough plays that we could have beat the Bucs 9 points in the last game that I actually sat through in Tampa.

I thought his ceiling was gonna be Teddy Bridgewater when I watched him at Alabama. I was way off, his ceiling looks more like Zach Wilson or Clausen. 

[Waldo]

4 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I thought his ceiling was gonna be Teddy Bridgewater when I watched him at Alabama. I was way off, his ceiling looks more like Zach Wilson or Clausen. 

His film made me wish he was Teddy. Teddy could see the throws he wouldn't make and it was obvious Young did not. Deep drop backs, unneeded rollouts when his line blocked well and the running into line gaps to launchpad it deep made Teddy look great. He was a prospect I really didn't like on any level.

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37 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I don't think Stroud fixes all the issues last year, and there were some toxic ones, but he could make enough plays that we could have beat the Bucs 9 points in the last game that I actually sat through in Tampa.

Yeah the point you made in the paragraph is good. Just to focus on the staff issues that I think you are referring to, Bryce's 'game' throws variables into those coach's little world because he was a different puzzle they are bound to have different perspectives, leading to you know what.

I don't know how to say it exactly but with a more conventional guy (CJ) these divisions may never have existed. poo is dynamic. 

Edited September 17 by strato

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, strato said:

Yeah the point you made in the paragraph is good. Just to focus on the staff issues that I think you are referring to, Bryce's 'game' throws variables into those coach's little world because he was a different puzzle they are bound to have different perspectives, leading to you know what.

I don't know how to say it exactly but with a more conventional guy these divisions may never have existed. poo is dynamic. 

Look up group think.

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1 minute ago, Waldo said:

Look up group think.

Oh yeah. I looked that up a few years ago; well acquainted. 

And what was the fulcrum on the Bryce propaganda? That's what I couldn't get. 

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, strato said:

Oh yeah. I looked that up a few years ago; well acquainted. 

And what was the fulcrum on the Bryce propaganda? That's what I couldn't get. 

They are a bunch of Seattle guys, still are. They thought he was a Wilson. That was the point guard stuff. Young doesn't have the physical ability and looks more like the Wilson in Pittsburgh who is washed.

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1 minute ago, Waldo said:

They are a bunch of Seattle guys, still are. They thought he was a Wilson. That was the point guard stuff. Young doesn't have the physical ability and looks more like the Wilson in Pittsburgh who is washed.

Oh poo wait. Certain angles in that whole thing had escaped me. Not unusual.

I do buy the Russel Wilson aspirations because I always thought he was lucky as hell and Bryce's ceiling is pretty much depending on being lucky as hell.  

So set him up the same way.

[Panthering]

He would be amazing and we would have a clear path forward. We would not have made the playoffs and won a game like the Texans did but Reich would be here and we'd be over the moon about what a talent we have at QB.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, strato said:

Oh poo wait. Certain angles in that whole thing had escaped me. Not unusual.

I do buy the Russel Wilson aspirations because I always thought he was lucky as hell and Bryce's ceiling is pretty much depending on being lucky as hell.  

So set him up the same way.

They just said Brees because Wilson was in decline at that time so they said point guard. That's what it looks like to me.

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20 minutes ago, Waldo said:

They just said Brees because Wilson was in decline at that time so they said point guard. That's what it looks like to me.

"They" is like media and stans. I heard so much of Bryce Young Drew Brees cope, oops comp, and finally looked hard at Brees. Even after watching him kill us for years I probably didn't know his height weight etc. They aren't a physical comp at all.