Bryce Young benched

[Jon Snow]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

sure, it's just a great setup in a vacuum.

but as he entered his 17th game of his career....it was still has 3rd HC, 3rd playcaller, 3rd O, who could count what # of OL setup it was....and his HC didn't give him any real time to work on things in the preseason under live fire.  It wasn't a great setup in reality for Bryce because all those things before the week 1 game factor. 

We shouldn't of drafted Young.  But we did ensure we got the worst version of whatever he was going to be.  And that's a worry going forward, about the brainiacs in charge.  Their entire plan going into the Canales era was an utter joke.....and it was still utter joke even if they felt they would move on from his quickly.  Because they didn't setup and prep for that being a legit possibility. 

It appears as if they didn't think there was any way he could fail after what they did for him in the offseason. They chose poorly. 

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It appears as if they didn't think there was any way he could fail after what they did for him in the offseason. They chose poorly. 

it was always obvious Bryce Young was going to greatly struggling in the type O Canales was going to want to run.  The looks and throws run against what Bryce Young is.  Talked about ever since the pairing was made.   I know I talked about it non-stop.  Bad marriages. 

So that's why benching Bryce does nothing really to change the trajectory.  We don't have good people in charge.  Will be maybe get better QB from Dalton in Canales O? Sure.   But we are further behind than ever before at the QB spot....than we have in the Tepper era. 

I keep saying it over and over.  The Tepper Era really is defined by a desperate idiot at BOA that botches the QB thing over and over and over.  And it is without question, he brings out the worst possible outcome for any QB.  Andy Dalton is likely not about to have a good time.  Maybe a good debut as new and different helps most people initially.  So I am prepared for a insane overreaction to Sunday.

 

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It appears as if they didn't think there was any way he could fail after what they did for him in the offseason. They chose poorly. 

It also appears it wouldn't have made any difference. It wasn't a good strategy but is the outcome going to change in the end? I don't think so.

Rookie HC who is woefully inexperienced makes a bonehead mistake. But that was also the same staff they could get to even come here.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

It also appears it wouldn't have made any difference. It wasn't a good strategy but is the outcome going to change in the end? I don't think so.

Rookie HC who is woefully inexperienced makes a bonehead mistake. But that was also the same staff they could get to even come here.

yeah, lot of folks sort getting cover here.....because Bryce is bad.  Collectively the fanbase right now is willing to overlook the obvious bad going into this season. 

We are worse now than the Frank Reich era (despite much better foundational talent on O).....because of this present day staff.  So much for the legendary advisor Jim Caldwell lol.  

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

it was always obvious Bryce Young was going to greatly struggling in the type O Canales was going to want to run.  The looks and throws run against what Bryce Young is.  Talked about ever since the pairing was made.   I know I talked about it non-stop.  Bad marriages. 

So that's why benching Bryce does nothing really to change the trajectory.  We don't have good people in charge.  Will be maybe get better QB from Dalton in Canales O? Sure.   But we are further behind than ever before at the QB spot....than we have in the Tepper era. 

I keep saying it over and over.  The Tepper Era really is defined by a desperate idiot at BOA that botches the QB thing over and over and over.  And it is without question, he brings out the worst possible outcome for any QB.  Andy Dalton is likely not about to have a good time.  Maybe a good debut as new and different helps most people initially.  So I am prepared for a insane overreaction to Sunday.

 

It was obvious Young was always going to struggle regardless. You have been absolutely right about the bad marriages but I think your wrong about Dalton. I'm way more concerned about his health than his fit in DC's offensive scheme. I also want to see what his in game coaching looks like with a QB that can make the most basic throws. I'm not very confident or impressed so far but it needs to be seen without the Young excuse.

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

yeah, lot of folks sort getting cover here.....because Bryce is bad.  Collectively the fanbase right now is willing to overlook the obvious bad going into this season. 

We are worse now than the Frank Reich era (despite much better foundational talent on O).....because of this present day staff.  So much for the legendary advisor Jim Caldwell lol.  

Caldwell...ugh. It's hard to say we are better or worse. The set up of the Reich year was so bad even if his experience is really missed this year. This one is not looking good either. IDK yet. I wouldn't be praising either at this point. DC has done 1 thing I see as a greenflag and I don't even know if it was really his call.

[Jon Snow]

16 minutes ago, CRA said:

it was always obvious Bryce Young was going to greatly struggling in the type O Canales was going to want to run.  The looks and throws run against what Bryce Young is.  Talked about ever since the pairing was made.   I know I talked about it non-stop.  Bad marriages. 

So that's why benching Bryce does nothing really to change the trajectory.  We don't have good people in charge.  Will be maybe get better QB from Dalton in Canales O? Sure.   But we are further behind than ever before at the QB spot....than we have in the Tepper era. 

I keep saying it over and over.  The Tepper Era really is defined by a desperate idiot at BOA that botches the QB thing over and over and over.  And it is without question, he brings out the worst possible outcome for any QB.  Andy Dalton is likely not about to have a good time.  Maybe a good debut as new and different helps most people initially.  So I am prepared for a insane overreaction to Sunday.

 

As long as Tepper is the one making the key decisions expect things to stay as they are, a clusterf**k. He makes the wrong choice every single time. He has to empower someone to make those decisions for him and the team.  Dan needs to answer to a President of football and not David. Canales should only report to Dan and only talk to Tepper if the cross paths in the hallway.  These Monday morning meetings MUST stop. In other words, call KEVEN COLBERT an suck him off if he has to to get him involved. 

Edited September 18 by Jon Snow

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

Caldwell...ugh. It's hard to say we are better or worse. The set up of the Reich year was so bad even if his experience is really missed this year. This one is not looking good either. IDK yet. I wouldn't be praising either at this point. DC has done 1 thing I see as a greenflag and I don't even know if it was really his call.

it's the worst start in franchise history.  Frank was actually in games.  Canales hasn't been in a game going into the half.  Heck, Canales hasn't been in a game going into the 2nd quarter. 

[scpanther22]

21 minutes ago, CRA said:

it was always obvious Bryce Young was going to greatly struggling in the type O Canales was going to want to run.  The looks and throws run against what Bryce Young is.  Talked about ever since the pairing was made.   I know I talked about it non-stop.  Bad marriages. 

So that's why benching Bryce does nothing really to change the trajectory.  We don't have good people in charge.  Will be maybe get better QB from Dalton in Canales O? Sure.   But we are further behind than ever before at the QB spot....than we have in the Tepper era. 

I keep saying it over and over.  The Tepper Era really is defined by a desperate idiot at BOA that botches the QB thing over and over and over.  And it is without question, he brings out the worst possible outcome for any QB.  Andy Dalton is likely not about to have a good time.  Maybe a good debut as new and different helps most people initially.  So I am prepared for a insane overreaction to Sunday.

 

What? it was literally the exact opposite thought beforehand lol

Most thought his type of offense played into young's strengths at the time

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, scpanther22 said:

What? it was literally the exact opposite thought beforehand lol

Most thought his type of offense played into young's strengths at the time

In no sane world....does a downfield chunk pass offense play to Bryce Young's strengths.  All of his offenses he has been around, from Tampa to Seattle have lead the league in deep shot attempts (often #1 in the league).  That was broken down time and time again.  It's the whole bad marriages thing.  

How would that play to Bryce Young's strengths? 

Now did some fans choose to run with the entering the season BS Panther propaganda and run with it? Sure.  The catering to Bryce bolonga?  Canales' O have always been consistent.  And Bryce is as bad of a fit for THAT as it gets. 

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

it's the worst start in franchise history.  Frank was actually in games.  Canales hasn't been in a game going into the half.  Heck, Canales hasn't been in a game going into the 2nd quarter. 

Last years crew was a nightmare and it tore itself apart. This one isn't impressive but it's also not that. They also earned the #1 pick they pissed away in a terrible trade last year regardless of wins for a QB that can't play at this level. It's really not a hill worth fighting over.

[CRA]

Bad marriages.  That's the Tepper way.  It's that way every season.  He puts things together that don't fit.  It happens, because David Tepper runs the show. 

[strato]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

In no sane world....does a downfield chunk pass offense play to Bryce Young's strengths.  All of his offenses he has been around, from Tampa to Seattle have lead the league in deep shot attempts (often #1 in the league).  That was broken down time and time again.  It's the whole bad marriages thing.  

How would that play to Bryce Young's strengths? 

Now did some fans choose to run with the entering the season BS Panther propaganda and run with it? Sure.  The catering to Bryce bolonga?  Canales' O have always been consistent.  And Bryce is as bad of a fit for THAT as it gets. 

It might hint that they had decided on Bryce early on and are not trying to tailor the offense to him.

Alternately, it was stated that Bryce was getting input about what his best plays from Alabama were, the rollouts, that sort of thing.

None of it can be revealed if the QB checks down nearly every passing play.

 It might be Bama it might be Dan Henning play action + deep shot, how could people tell from what the fug it was supposed to be from he was doing? 

Edited September 18 by strato

[strato]

I forgot to say, that sorry ass passing chart is a pretty strong indication of what Canales is working with.

I don't have all 22 to see all the routes and if there were people running downfield towards that other end zone. 

One fuging jump ball to Legette was all I asked. 

Not really, but it was the main attraction on Sunday, but no we got Pop Warner boy.