Some additional thoughts about why you have to bench/release Bryce

[electro's horse]

First, to everyone that says the Panthers need to start him to secure the number 1 pick. I agree Bryce young playing 17 games guarantees that, but I disagree with everythingelse.

1. Bryce isn't surviving 17 games

2. There is more to a season than winning the super bowl or getting the first over all pick

3. Tepper JUST fuged up the number 1 overall; no reason to expect he wouldn't do it again

4. It is discourse poison. People on here got so excited by Bryce BECAUSE he was the number 1 pick and would not shut up about him even when it was clear from the jump it wasn't going to work out. I don't want to fuging go through all this again for like Carson Beck. 

Alright, that said, why do we need to bench or cut Bryce

1. Player development/evaluation - on offense, it's impossible to fairly evaluate anyone because of what Bryce is doing. I've brought this up multiple times, and only the coaches know for certain, but you can't tell me some of the oline issues last year weren't because of Bryce's "drop back." How do you block for someone you can't see when you have no idea where he actually is? 

Additionally, you have resources tied up in young players, specifically XL, and you will learn nothing about them this year. Bryce can't make it past his first read and defenses know this. They're getting practice reps and game experience sure, but does anyone think XL is gonna go up for a catch this year that matters? On the other side of the ball, what do you know about your young pass rushers? Teams are going to be running out the clock on the Panthers all year. This is a complete wash on the defense.

2. Player safety - if Bryce doesn't get hurt, someone else will. He threw two check down hospital balls in garbage time today. If his interception wasn't such an easy pick, there was a defender there to light up the receiver. Whichever receiver ended up catching it, i don't understand that route at all and it makes me think it's just intended as a decoy. It's a dangerous game and I get it, but the receivers have to know that the QB isn't going to be leading them into a brick wall. Bryce is going to get someone killed.

3. Organizational integrity - the panthers are not a serious organization right now. Other teams have bad owners, other teams have bad coaches, other teams have bad players. The panthers are trotting out someone at the most important position who does not have the physical prerequisites to play at any position, and has shown he can't complete the required basics. What he did at Alabama doesn't matter. What the Panthers gave up for him doesn't matter. At this point you cannot say the Panthers are focused on winning games. You cannot say the Panthers are focused on the future. 

The Panthers need to focus on becoming a competitive football organization and staying in games however they can. The Saints curb stomped them. The Chargers were nice today. On TV, LA looked like a team that knew it didn't need to do much to beat the Panthers. If the Panthers keep trotting Bryce out there, they will have nothing to build on week after week. Again, a lot of you only think "Super Bowl or 1st overall pick." Think of how many players from the 2003 team were drafted in the 90s. That team wasn't just Julius Peppers and Jake Delhomme. How many key players on the 2015 team were there with Fox? Again, there was more to that team than Cam and Luke.

With the way the organization is right now, how do you develop Mike Rucker? Where is Thomas Davis coming from? Do we know if we have a Josh Norman? Are we going to figure out if Brady Christensen is actually Ryan Kalil? The team is so bad right now we have no idea. And the one player that developed here out of nowhere, Frankie Luvu, was allowed to walk so the team would have cap space to try to help Bryce. (I'm still bitter about that and just throwing it out there.)

Another thought; whomever the top QB prospect ends up being, if you were his father, would you let him go to Carolina? Of course not. 

4. Coach - How do you judge Canales right now? I would argue you can't but that it doesn't matter. He was unqualified when he was hired and he's shown why no other teams wanted an interview. Regardless, how can you actually evaluate him given these circumstances? And how can you expect him to try to get players to buy if he's not allowed to bench Bryce? All we know about this guy is he's starting Bryce for SOME REASON (reasonable people can speculate) and he's announced he's going to start him next week. 

This is to say nothing about the next coach. Are we still going to be going through this charade? Is the next coach going to be an even bigger whisperer? 

 

i don't want to fuging hear about the first round pick; that's a stupid argument. i don't want to hear about developing bryce; that poo has sailed. I just want to see a team that can actually compete and try to find reasons to be optimistic for next season. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

Time to get some sleep

[Mr. Scot]

I can sign on with that.

Already stated my answer to #3 elsewhere 

[Icy89]

Yea the summary is that this team has no culture and you have to try to building winning (or just competitive…) culture. Trotting out Bryce gives this team no chance and the locker room will have no will to compete.  Continuing to play Bryce is downright disrespectful to the rest of the roster at this point.  We may very well still get the number 1 pick WITH Andy… but at least we can be functional.

[Mr. Scot]

I'll add what I said elsewhere.

Canales may well risk losing the locker room if he insists on sticking with Young.

There's indications of frustration with him already.

[strato]

Onboard. Random thoughts…

I don’t think Dalton would hold up to play all the games left. Pass pro is better but …. 

So put him in and when he has to miss some time Bryce can play us back to the bottom.

Or Plummer. We do it with either of them. 

[Captroop]

There is no incentive to play hard for a team that has nothing to play for. If an L is already a guarantee, why bother playing your heart out? Why risk injury?

I don't think you would. 

Bad play will build a low energy, no effort, loser culture that will take years to erase. 

You have to play to win now. Not because you think you will, but so your team still has some fight and dignity left. And starting Bryce is not the way you do that, because you cannot look me dead in the eyes and tell me that Bryce Young starting at QB gives this team the best chance of winning on Sunday. 

You have to bench Bryce to save the psyche of this franchise. 

Edited September 16 by Captroop

[Newtcase]

I’ve been saying we can’t evaluate our team with Bryce for a year.

 

[Wheresthedawg84]

30 years a Panther fan, 40 years and avid NFL watcher, and this is the worst NFL product I've seen put on a field! We are headed for Browns, Lions territory with Tepper's as owners. And Bryce is an anxious chihuahua at QB

[Newtcase]

1 minute ago, Wheresthedawg84 said:

30 years a Panther fan, 40 years and avid NFL watcher, and this is the worst NFL product I've seen put on a field! We are headed for Browns, Lions territory with Tepper's as owners. And Bryce is an anxious chihuahua at QB

My chihuahua says to kiss her ass in a very composed manner.

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll add what I said elsewhere.

Canales may well risk losing the locker room if he insists on sticking with Young.

There's indications of frustration with him already.

Honestly, he should lose the locker room. Not that anyone seems to care, but they will certainly lose fans. 

People are tired of looking at Bryce on the field and on the sidelines and in pressers. People are likely getting tired of Canales as well. I said before the season that Mr. Positivity will start sounding like a car salesman if we aren't competitive. 

There's an argument that this is the worst that it has ever been. It's ugly. It's madness. It has to stop.

[Mr. Scot]

27 minutes ago, TD alt said:

There's an argument that this is the worst that it has ever been. It's ugly. It's madness. It has to stop.

Yes, there is, and it's a valid one...

[lightsout]

The scary part is that Bryce looks, at best, as bad as he was last year. At worst he has regressed. You expect rookies to struggle, but you expect their second year they'll take steps and show clear signs of improvement. We've not gotten that. 

The run game is there, but it gets shut down the moment the pass game is utterly useless. They can just focus on stopping that and pressuring because Young can't see and he can't make good decisions with the ball. 

Bryce being this bad this early in year 2 is writing on the wall. I'm convinced that Canales is under clear orders to either start Bryce no matter what or he has a number of games he must start Bryce in. No coach worth his salt is sticking with Bryce after these two games. 

[MHS831]

I see about 8 college QBs that could help a team in the NFL--who knows which will be the best--I have seen flashes from all of them, and I have concerns about all of them.   I say we release Bryce and lets have different problems.