What we need from Dave Canales now

[Khyber53]

Dave, you know what you were getting into when you applied for the head coaching job here. This team over the last seven seasons has become a trainwreck carrying a dumpster fire to a clusterfug. Ownership is clueless, ego-driven and sadly entrenched with a hands-on approach. Coaching has been a revolving door, with the last guy not even seeing the end of his inaugural year here from the sidelines. Management has been on a sled-ride downhill since Marty Hurney left... just think how low things are if you're looking up at the Hurney regime days?

We'd traded away our first round pick this season and I believe our 2nd next season, just to draft a soft-spoken, miniscule quarterback of the future that just isn't cut out physically, mentally, charismatically or skill-wise to be a starter, or maybe even player, in this league. You inherited no decent wide receivers under the age of 30, a rickety offensive line and your best running back is an unknown kid who grew up playing football in Canada. And on defense you were handing the shiniest turd of last year's pile, but not until they'd traded away our only pass rush specialist.

You know all of this, we know all of this. And you know that the team owner is probably more likely to have a new trophy wife before he gets a Lombardy trophy here. 

You're saddled with a mess, man. But you do have one thing here. The fans, those who are left and right now, we just need one thing from you:

Progress. Just some sign that we are moving forward. 

We'd hoped for it all off season. We dusted off our jerseys and hats, duly walked to the tv sets and hunkered down like good little Panthers boys and girls.

And the team laid an egg. One of the biggest in a long time. Against one of our division rivals. One that was supposed to be wounded and poorly coached.

We can't do this again.

Show us something. Show us that you are moving forward, past the crap and into a better day. We know it won't be here tomorrow or any time this season, just show us that if we hang on, there's something being built for us, something good.

You don't have to win, but at least make it look like there's some fight in this team.

And put PeeWee on the bench. For his own good, for ours and let us see what our team would do if we actually had a modestly skilled QB on the field. They used to call it the Andy Dalton scale... if you had a QB better than him, you were set. If you had a QB worse than him, you were screwed. He's literally a measuring stick and you could honestly judge the rest of our guys with him under center.

But man, seriously, save yourself and us... just make it competitive this week. Please. Is it too much to ask?

 

[jayboogieman]

17 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

just think how low things are if you're looking up at the Hurney regime days?

This line =

[CanadianCat]

... i picked up Andy Dalton in my 2QB fantasy league... 

[jayboogieman]

Riding with Dalton does nothing for the team and they have to see if Young can be even below NFL average to salvage something from him. Otherwise, roll with the UDFA rookie. That way, they can at least claim they were trying to see what they had in him and still cruise to the #1 pick so the team can try again with their choice of QB.

[strato]

Hey, we knew what we were in for too. We are going to have to nut up and let this long process of restoration move like it is got to move. 

We know that the absolute first order of business is to evaluate the quarterback.

That is a must in order to get past the owner's conditions on that task before you can even address that roster spot.

So let's endure that poo while the rookie green ass overburdened with QB grooming on top of learning the HC job for a little bit. We tolerated in the name of Bryce all last hopeless year but we have to do it again. 

[Johnstonny]

He had no clue of what a shtshow this place was...he was enamored with a head coaching job...Regardless, u'll be set for life...

[strato]

14 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

He had no clue of what a shtshow this place was...he was enamored with a head coaching job...Regardless, u'll be set for life...

Practically every guy that gets his first HC job say they had no idea of all the poo that was involved.

Edited Friday at 06:53 PM by strato

[thennek]

If Bryce has another stinker on Sunday, I sure hope Tepper will let Canales put Bryce in time-out.  It really is doing nobody any good to see him struggle.  If Bryce is ever going to be at least average, he needs to build his confidence and last week certainly did not help.  Some of the best QB's 'sat a year' before playing (Love, Rodgers, Mahommes, Favre to name a few).  He clearly was not ready last year, and at least 3 of the coaches agreed (they were fired).

[CamWhoaaCam]

5 minutes ago, thennek said:

If Bryce has another stinker on Sunday, I sure hope Tepper will let Canales put Bryce in time-out.  It really is doing nobody any good to see him struggle.  If Bryce is ever going to be at least average, he needs to build his confidence and last week certainly did not help.  Some of the best QB's 'sat a year' before playing (Love, Rodgers, Mahommes, Favre to name a few).  He clearly was not ready last year, and at least 3 of the coaches agreed (they were fired).

What does putting Bryce in timeout accomplish?

We need to know if Bryce is our QB or if we need to move on. Delaying his development does nothing but set us back even more. He's our starter for the rest of the season.

 

If we bench him for Dalton this franchise truly has no hope. Dalton is a backup nothing more. That would be a waste of time playing him.

 

 

[thennek]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

What does putting Bryce in timeout accomplish?

We need to know if Bryce is our QB or if we need to move on. Delaying his development does nothing but set us back even more. He's our starter for the rest of the season.

 

If we bench him for Dalton this franchise truly has no hope. Dalton is a backup nothing more. That would be a waste of time playing him.

 

 

Because he is holding the offense back, and ultimately the team.  You put him in timeout because he is not developing.  I don't think any of us need to see another 16 games of him playing QB (if it is a continuation of the past 15 games) to know he is not 'it'.  If we see it, I would hope the HC sees it too.  The Panthers need to learn how to win.  They have built a losing culture.  You don't want to see Dalton, fine put in the Plummer.  I doubt his play would have been much worse than what we saw last Sunday.  

[strato]

At some point he should be able to play his way out of the job. 
I feel like the only real path he has is to backup someone for a year while he learns how to drop back and throw the ball like an NFL QB. He does not have the jets to run around and do yard ball. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

9 minutes ago, thennek said:

Because he is holding the offense back, and ultimately the team.  You put him in timeout because he is not developing.  I don't think any of us need to see another 16 games of him playing QB (if it is a continuation of the past 15 games) to know he is not 'it'.  If we see it, I would hope the HC sees it too.  The Panthers need to learn how to win.  They have built a losing culture.  You don't want to see Dalton, fine put in the Plummer.  I doubt his play would have been much worse than what we saw last Sunday.  

Except we traded a lot to draft this guy #1 overall.

 

Giving him 1 season to prove himself which is basically what you're suggesting is just crazy. Cmon bro he deserves 2 years before we make a decision.

 

He has looked bad in his 1 season. But damn as much as I think he's not the guy he deserves a chance to prove himself in his sophomore season.

 

Relax bro we aren't doing anything with Dalton either. This team lacks talent on both sides. We just got blown out by the Saints for goodness sake. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

Riding with Dalton does nothing for the team and they have to see if Young can be even below NFL average to salvage something from him. Otherwise, roll with the UDFA rookie. That way, they can at least claim they were trying to see what they had in him and still cruise to the #1 pick so the team can try again with their choice of QB.

Dalton offers the potential to just win games. Unless you are fully committed to tanking, starting to build a winning culture is actually important. Consider that on our fairly young roster that we don't have a lot of guys that have experienced much in the way of winning culture in the NFL. 

That can quickly permeate an organization and make that hill much steeper to climb.

[frankw]

You don't hold the development of the young players on the roster hostage because you want to let Bryce Young ride out the rest of the season at all costs. If he continues to play the way he has the next few games it should be a wrap. For the good of the team.