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Worst part of the game yesterday was the end of the 1st half

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On 9/9/2024 at 8:12 AM, JawnyBlaze said:

Nope, completely disagree. I liked staying aggressive. Sure, the saints scored again but you have to have the attitude that we’re going to keep trying. Giving up is loser Rivera ball. We weren’t winning that game no matter what. Show the other 51 guys on the team that you still believe in them and once we get a QB we can make things like that work. 

"Loser" Rivera ball was a damn sight better than what we've had since we jettisoned him.

We have had the softest, wimpiest team in the league since. Not saying bring Rivera back, but we need someone who can teach a team to push the other guys around, not just hand over their lunch and girlfriends by midway through the first quarter.

 

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28 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

"Loser" Rivera ball was a damn sight better than what we've had since we jettisoned him.

We have had the softest, wimpiest team in the league since. Not saying bring Rivera back, but we need someone who can teach a team to push the other guys around, not just hand over their lunch and girlfriends by midway through the first quarter.

 

Sure, but pushing guys around has nothing to do with giving up before halftime.  Ron might have given off that “hard ass vibe” but as a coach he was a scared, soft, wimp. 

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4 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Sure, but pushing guys around has nothing to do with giving up before halftime.  Ron might have given off that “hard ass vibe” but as a coach he was a scared, soft, wimp. 

It has everything to do with giving up before halftime. They'd whipped us within the first five minutes of the game and just proceeded to do whatever they wanted to to us.

We knuckled under sooo fast. Just no grit, none at all.

 

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3 hours ago, CRA said:

I'd argue in a QB league, QB being the most impactful spot, that a vet Teddy Bridgewater as your starting QB provides much more consistency for an offense than Kyle Allen.  That's a pretty big difference. 

and like I said, I think Wilks at the end sort of confirms it all

Ron gets way too much hate.  A flawed coach that underachieved big picture but he is better than this slop we have been going through.  Ron brought a certain level of competency and accountability IMO we haven't seen since.  

I’ll never have anything but hate in my heart for Rivera. Even putting aside the self admitted throwing players under the bus and not having their backs, the comments about how he’d be trying to injure Cam, standing by idly while refs allowed it, and the stupid tie incident…setting ALL of that aside, he should have delivered at least one out more like two or three rings with that roster. Cam, Olsen, Luke, TD, Star, KK, Hardy, CJ, Norman, we’ll probably never have a roster that stacked again. 

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36 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

"Loser" Rivera ball was a damn sight better than what we've had since we jettisoned him.

We have had the softest, wimpiest team in the league since. Not saying bring Rivera back, but we need someone who can teach a team to push the other guys around, not just hand over their lunch and girlfriends by midway through the first quarter.

 

The 2019 D was SOFT. Guys just out there getting sacks and avoiding any run responsibilities. 

Rivera had issues but he also had positives. I still don't think this team has had a great GM or HC yet. 

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2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

It has everything to do with giving up before halftime. They'd whipped us within the first five minutes of the game and just proceeded to do whatever they wanted to to us.

We knuckled under sooo fast. Just no grit, none at all.

 

You misunderstand. Rivera would have given up before halftime and just taken knees. Canales didn’t. We DIDNT just give up before halftime on Sunday. Canales and the rest of the players couldn’t help that Bryce was sabotaging the team. 

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3 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

You misunderstand. Rivera would have given up before halftime and just taken knees. Canales didn’t. We DIDNT just give up before halftime on Sunday. Canales and the rest of the players couldn’t help that Bryce was sabotaging the team. 

I just know what I'm seeing now. There ain't no fight in the whole team. And if you're looking for a QB to put that back in them, then we don't have that guy. Not at all.

Do we have a coach that can do it? Not sure. He needs to find it.

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16 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I just know what I'm seeing now. There ain't no fight in the whole team. And if you're looking for a QB to put that back in them, then we don't have that guy. Not at all.

Do we have a coach that can do it? Not sure. He needs to find it.

They looked flat and defeated on the first snap of the game.  Usually a new coach gets a free pop for a game or two.

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On 9/9/2024 at 8:43 AM, kungfoodude said:

Been preaching this for multiple years now. We are the new Browns.

Literally every sign from that 1999-2017 run of misery is there. Worst part is that our 2018-2023 is actually worse than that era started our for them.

Buckle your seat belts, boys. It's gonna be a rough remainder of this decade.

Yea when the other QB is just lighting it up for a different perpetually shart team it makes it feel real gud huh lol. Like ffs we went with "character" instead of talent. Character can't win games and these days with 100s of millions of dollars at stake these kids aren't doing dumb arsed poo like back in the day if it was ever even a big deal which it wasn't.

People aren't going to want to hear this but character concerns just means the black QB isn't acting white and the good character black qbs are acting white as they like. That's real

No one in the locker room gives af about if Cam or whoever else stole a fukin laptop or anything else for that matter lol. Stuff like that like huh we trying to win games and make that money and you over here talking about petty theft. 

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On 9/9/2024 at 7:12 AM, JawnyBlaze said:

Nope, completely disagree. I liked staying aggressive. Sure, the saints scored again but you have to have the attitude that we’re going to keep trying. Giving up is loser Rivera ball. We weren’t winning that game no matter what. Show the other 51 guys on the team that you still believe in them and once we get a QB we can make things like that work. 

I agree. Think of it this way, a coach goes for it on a fourth down.  He doesn’t make first down.  Is he the hero or the goat.

There are other factors to consider.  Knowing when to hold them and went to fold them.  In other words, what kind of message are you sending to the other team?  What kind of message are you sending to your team?
 

these are factors that a coach has to consider when he makes a decision. This is why you want an experienced coach who has been in the situations.

if he goes for it on fourth down and makes it he is the hero. If he goes for it and doesn’t make the first down people will be very critical.

 

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1 hour ago, Fox007 said:

Yea when the other QB is just lighting it up for a different perpetually shart team it makes it feel real gud huh lol. Like ffs we went with "character" instead of talent. Character can't win games and these days with 100s of millions of dollars at stake these kids aren't doing dumb arsed poo like back in the day if it was ever even a big deal which it wasn't.

People aren't going to want to hear this but character concerns just means the black QB isn't acting white and the good character black qbs are acting white as they like. That's real

No one in the locker room gives af about if Cam or whoever else stole a fukin laptop or anything else for that matter lol. Stuff like that like huh we trying to win games and make that money and you over here talking about petty theft. 

I don't think that applies because CJ didn't  have any character concerns I am aware of.

I think it was just the difference of how polished and "corporate" Bryce seemed. 

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On 9/10/2024 at 1:17 PM, kungfoodude said:

I don't think that applies because CJ didn't  have any character concerns I am aware of.

I think it was just the difference of how polished and "corporate" Bryce seemed. 

Right. This owner doesn't deserve any support this is total ineptitude.

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