Everyone should have seen the disaster around Bryce coming

[TD alt]

8 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I made a comment last off season where the hype for Bryce was at a fever pitch. I said something along the lines of, "you guys aren't even considering the possibility he may fail" . It was getting pretty toxic with anyone with a negative opinion about Bryce being shouted down by the majority. 

I'm not exactly accepting that narrative. People don't deserve a hand just because they took an opportunity to pick low hanging fruit. You have to let things play out before you lower the boom on a kid.

[t96]

48 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, some of us pretty much said all this and we're just dismissed as Bryce haters or negative Nancies or whatever.

The Morgan hire did not get nearly enough criticism here. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, t96 said:

The Morgan hire did not get nearly enough criticism here. 

It just signaled what most of us had already come to realize anyway. David Tepper is basically the GM and the GM is just his secretary to do all the paperwork and day to day BS. When it comes to the actual key decisions, those are Tepper. 

[WhoKnows]

3 minutes ago, t96 said:

The Morgan hire did not get nearly enough criticism here. 

It did but there are too many you aren’t an NFL GM so you could never be better and you have to be rah rah or you aren’t a fan. I was big on canning Fitterer with Rhule but the same people said to give him a chance because it was all Rhule’s fault and the same people said Morgan is a great hire because he’s a dawg and maybe he didn’t agree with Fitterer.

When we didn’t like Rhule anymore, we needed to get rid of the GM he wanted and start fresh but we didn’t and we suffered and then we got rid of Reich but basically kept Fitterer’s right hand man because he needed a chance.

Cost us an extra 5 years minimum because we were stupid and felt some sort of weird loyalty instead of just looking at the terrible results. 

[strato]

I would bet whatever, if I bet, that a condition of taking the job was Bryce Young is unquestionably the QB and you go from there.

Morgan, Canales (certainly Canales), everybody. 
 

And I would also bet whatever that an ex really good NFL MLB would never select a guy like that to compete against NFL big dogs on D. And they are all big dogs. 
 

This year was all about seeing what he was. For blind people lol.

Edit: okay I am being mean because I am sick of watching him take the field looking like a mistake just standing there. And sick of the shining on that has been done on his behalf. 

Edited September 9 by strato

[WhoKnows]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It just signaled what most of us had already come to realize anyway. David Tepper is basically the GM and the GM is just his secretary to do all the paperwork and day to day BS. When it comes to the actual key decisions, those are Tepper. 

That’s not what I heard. I don’t have a constant sources but have talked to a very key person who I met through friends. The word was that there wasn’t interference this offseason. That only came up because of all the talk that Tepper was meddling.

[Ricky Prickles]

21 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Bryce couldn't make the easy throws. He has shown very little touch and/or layering of the football when he's on the move. Those misses are no longer dumbfounding unfortunately. If we tell the truth, we've come to expect them. 

 

You are exactly correct. I found myself today wondering not if he was going to make a throw but how badly he was going to miss or who's hands on the other team he may throw it in. Found myself every attempt wondering how inaccurate he could possibly get and the only thing consistent I had were thoughts of it being a guaranteed failure each time he moved his arm forward to pass. Pretty damn sad

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

Oh there were those for us that did. However, we were derided for being 'haters'. 

Lolz.

The “others” who made the constant excuses will likely never reveal themselves

[WhoKnows]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

I would bet whatever, if I bet, that a condition of taking the job was Bryce Young is unquestionably the QB and you go from there.

Morgan, Canales (certainly Canales), everybody. 
 

And I would also bet whatever that an ex really good NFL MLB would never select a guy like that to compete against NFL big dogs on D. And they are all big dogs. 

I would bet that wasn’t the case. I’d bet what was more likely is that the “condition” was that we needed to get people to decide if Young can be the guy. I don’t think Tepper meddles as much as some think and I don’t think he’s stupid enough to keep Young around when we get embarrassed like this. Tepper has certainly not waited a long time to try and fix the GM/coach. I dont think he’d be against picking a QB in 2025 if we get what we saw today the rest of the year.

[AggieLean]

I knew it was a wrap last year, and no one coming in could save us. Bryce was throwing ducks. You can’t fix that. We won’t be good until we move on. I seen the apologists holding on. I just ignored them. 

[strato]

3 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

I would bet that wasn’t the case. I’d bet what was more likely is that the “condition” was that we needed to get people to decide if Young can be the guy. I don’t think Tepper meddles as much as some think and I don’t think he’s stupid enough to keep Young around when we get embarrassed like this. Tepper has certainly not waited a long time to try and fix the GM/coach. I dont think he’d be against picking a QB in 2025 if we get what we saw today the rest of the year.

Maybe I wasn’t clear by not specifying this season. Because it absolutely had to be a condition, or someone would be signing some competition. It is sink or swim Bryce Young. 
I’d go as far as to speculate that Canales went over contingencies (in the event of Young failing the test) before accepting or being hired.  

Edited September 9 by strato

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Yes, we all know Bryce isn't an NFL QB. Not only not a starter but not even a 3rd or 4th string practice squad caliber QB in the NFL. I truly believe he will be 100% out of the league by 2027, maybe sooner. That said, I completely get how some here deluded themselves into believe maybe a "guru" like Canales could help him turn it around. He was 1st overall pick so he must have something he can show, right? I get it. Now we're all in agreement with the reality that he's not an NFL QB.

Well, as bad as Bryce was, he is merely a symptom and not the root cause. We could've had Mahomes and we still lose this game to the mediocre Aints. ST was a mess, defense was even worse than Bryce was and our OL was demolished yet again, the list goes on. Wholly unprepared, nobody seemed to give a poo about it either. Bryce smiling after a pick on his first throw.

 

What has been extremely clear to me since January 22 was that the rest of the team around Bryce would be complete ass, and none of our offseason moves would turn out to be successes. You know why? We had Fitterer for 3 years, in what is arguably the worst run from a GM in NFL history (influenced by Tepper meddling, certainly, but still). The worst trade in league history for probably the biggest 1st overall QB bust ever (at least Jarmacus had some talent that in theory could've been put to good use with a better attitude, Bryce just has nothing), terrible contracts left and right, trading away elite players while passing up 2 1sts for Burns only to turn around and trade him anyways for less than a 1st, this list goes on too.

How in the fuging world could anyone in their right mind think that the Assistant GM for that entire tenure, Fitterer's right hand man, be deserving of being promoted to GM? Seriously. Dan Morgan was a great player here before concussions and seems like an ok dude, but what the actual fug. How do you keep anyone around from that absolute disaster of a front office? I just do not understand it, knew it was a mistake at the time and my blind homer fan optimism/hopium led me to try to ignore that reality for much of the offseason, but it was 100% clear to me from the moment Tepper hired him. This will not work with Morgan, will not work with the HC he/Tepper picked, and nothing will work until Tepper is gone because he fuging makes decisions like this.

 

Yeah, add to the list of rants here, but it needs to be said as Bryce is getting most of the blame when in reality it's all Tepper and his terrible decisions like hiring Morgan as GM. Canales gets a bit of a pass as he's in way over his head and it's not his fault our dumb asses gave him a HC job well before he was ready.

I saw it in 2023 and I preached from the rooftops about it. I was ignored and even given a weak ban here for “spreading negativity”. It was easy to see. What would Bryce have looked like at Kentucky and what would Levis have looked like at Alabama? What would Anthony Richardson look like at Alabama and Bryce at Florida? 

[bandu]

I juat still cannot believe we did not at least draft a latter round Qb & make Bryce Young actually earn the starting job ?

[beo]

Well at least we doubled down in the offseason by signing two guards (one of the least valuable positions on offense) to a total of 153 million dollars and also backloaded their contracts so that we'll still be taking the brunt of their salaries while in complete rebuild mode. This despite already having Corbett, who is now being forced to play out of position. Which puts even more stress on Bryce because he has to manage the protections instead of having it done for him since it's doubtful Corbett has a good grasp on them.

Couldn't believe they doubled down on what was so obviously a failed experiment in Bryce. Yet another wasted season that will have cap ramifications later on. As if being over the cap with the far and away worst roster in the league wasn't pathetic enough. I'm not even sure how you fix this mess now. It's evident that nobody wants to come here and by firing Reich you tethered yourself to Canales, a coaching candidate who had very little interest outside of us and Fitterer's right hand man for at least a couple of seasons lest Tepper be seen as even more impatient than he already was. This assuming the GM has any power at all. Signing the understudy of the worst GM in team history reeks of Tepper hiring a yesman to do his bidding.

It's just so fugged. It feels like we're so far away from respectability much less backing into the playoffs somehow.

Edited September 9 by beo