You cannot start Bryce Young again. He is not an NFL player.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, SCO96 said:

I tend to enjoy your posts Jon so I see your point of view. But, our defense comes into each game with a severe disadvantage… B. Young behind center. The Saints had  13:00 advantage in time of possession. David Carr didn’t throw a pick on his first pass of the season. The Saints didn’t fumble while appearing to convert a crucial down early in the game. I think the defense was  demoralized by the end of the 1st quarter. When they saw that 17-0, everyone in that stadium and at home  watching that game knew Carolina had no chance of coming back.

I agree that defense is worse, but I want to see how they play in a game where there’s a possibility that the offense might just outscore the other team.

 

The defense could not get 1 stop for the first 3 quarters. Not 1 stop. The gave up nearly 30 point in the 1st quarter. Blaming the offense for not scoring is justified but the defense not making 1 single stop in the 1st half is solely on THE DEFENSE. They weren't handicapped by the offense and blaming it on them is being blind to what is really going on.

[WhoKnows]

1 minute ago, Gapanthersfan said:

It is not possible to evaluate offensive talent with Bryce at qb. Deep threat WR will never be able to showcase his skills? TEs that own the middle of the field? RBs? If all opposing the defense has to do is play up close and run stunts knowing that 90% of the time it will work… it’s a wrap. What offensive play is going to go hard for that every play? 

Im not saying we have studs and these guys are playing for 20 mil contracts, but a 5 mil for 3 years for what looks like quality depth is a very real situation for some of these dudes that may not happen with Bryce under center. Plays are over before they even start. 

Again, who would fall under this umbrella? Vets have track records and the OL guys have gotten big deals.

Did Thomas or Tremble show out with any other QBs we had? TMJ had other QBs, did he look good?

Moore, CMC, JJ, Evans and Godwin played with lots of QBs including our Bradford and Mayfield who you guys would have said the same thing about and the top guys show out regardless.

Young sucks, but he’s not costing people money when we are throwing it around to get people around him. Our offensive players lack of talent is costing them.

[Jmac]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The defense could not get 1 stop for the first 3 quarters. Not 1 stop. The gave up nearly 30 point in the 1st quarter. Blaming the offense for not scoring is justified but the defense not making 1 single stop in the 1st half is solely on THE DEFENSE. They weren't handicapped by the offense and blaming it on them is being blind to what is really going on.

Defense sucks too. This whole team is a fuggin nightmare.

[restNChrist]

1 hour ago, Castavar said:

Find a team that had Bryce ranked highly in the draft and try to get any compensation you can get while he still has a LITTLE value. Start Dalton the rest of the season and then draft your QB next year. Do this asap so we can at the very least enjoy the season a little bit.

This is the right move.  They’ll never do it cause it makes too much sense! 

Edited September 8 by restNChrist

[Shotgun]

17 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Which offensive player is Young costing money? Hunt, Corbett, Lewis and Moton all got stacks from us.

Which talented offensive player is Young costing? Just name one guy who would have gotten a bag if Young’s play wasn’t hiding his talent? Johnson and Thielen will get paid based on their body of work. Who else? Mingo and Tremble getting dragged down? TMJ going to the pro bowl?

We'll never know because he so inept. Zero wr development will happen with Young. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

9 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

It's bad enough how much he sucks, but for the love of God don't come off the field after throwing a pick on the first play of the season and fcuking smile.

He just doesn’t care.  No heart.  He’s like a kid that won a sweepstakes to be the panthers QB

[L-TownCat]

40 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

SMH. There’s no proof that Tepper made the call. Fitterer is on record saying he had Young as his top QB the year before we picked him. Fitterer and Reich were on record that they were in lock step on the choice and had Young before their deep dive and after. Thomas Brown was the guy who talked about the point guard theory 2 months before Tepper repeated it.

Tepper may have liked him the best as well, but Tepper as the boogeyman seems silly. Why would he keep Morgan who was in lock step with Fitterer if Tepper had to override him and others?

No evidence?  Tepper is a documented meddler.  You don’t have to agree.  Just keep on shaking that head.  

[96Bravo]

Remember when Rhule and company blamed Teddy Bridgewater for all their problems that one season?

Good times.

[Shotgun]

11 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

It's bad enough how much he sucks, but for the love of God don't come off the field after throwing a pick on the first play of the season and fcuking smile.

Gen Z in all its glory. Give the kid a blue ribbon and get him the fug off the field already.

[FatChad]

I think somebody would trade for him.  I think with a good running game and team around him he could be serviceable. He’ll never live up to what we traded for him and his draft position.  We are just a bad franchise that drafts extremely poorly. I stopped caring 2016 so whatever.

[rayzor]

You keep playing him regardless.

Leave no doubt.

[ClawOn]

1 minute ago, Shotgun said:

Gen Z in all its glory. Give the kid a blue ribbon and get him the fug off the field already.

Any real NFL QB that has ever played would have been absolutely furious with themselves after making that play.  

Our guy smiled.

[ProcessBlue2]

1. You have to start Dalton at some point, hopefully soon. You run the risk of destroying the morale in the locker room. 

2. Benching Bryce and at least trying to put something together with Dalton this season will probably save Canales and Morgan's job and prevent yet another FO turnover. 

3. You will get to see what you have in your other players by giving them a functional QB and allow them to develop. 

4. No Free Agent is going to come anywhere near here after another 2-15 season, and good luck resigning anybody. 

5. You're going to lose what little is left of the fan base if you don't put somebody in who can at least make basic throws. Dalton would have at least sustained some drives to give the defense a break. Hell, I think Plummer would have looked better than Bryce since he doesn't have to crow hop to make the ball go 15 yards.

[WhoKnows]

3 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

We'll never know because he so inept. Zero wr development will happen with Young. 

No, we know. We just have to face it that our team is booty. QB is need #1 but DJ Moore has had a flurry of bad QBs and still made something out of them. When a 34 year old Thielen looks way better than recent 2nd round picks, that’s a talent issue. Thielen got over 1000 yards with Young so Mingo and TMJ’s excuses don’t hold water. Leggette just hasn’t played enough but honestly he looked better today than I recall Mingo/TMJ so far so he’s got a chance. It’s likely to be with another QB.