Moton and Tuttle have contracts restructured - $10.7M added to cap space

[mc52beast]

We talk about Moton being a great RT because everyone else on the line has sucked recently. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

22 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

You keep saying this like its true when its not. He has been our best lineman and would have made multiple pro bowls and all pro selections if on another team that hasnt been complete trash. The media has always overlooked us even in our best years. If you put him on the cowboys, packers, or any other darling, yeah he would considered one of the best RTs in the game.

I’m not saying he’s bad.  But you can’t pay guys like him and Shaq and Chuba Hubbard and expect to win.  They’re good players but they’re not cornerstones.  It’s silly.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

6 of this 10 million was to get back under the salary cap. 6 million has already spent. I think we were at 6 after cutting Chassion

 

And hopefully they put the rest of it in the bank so to speak in case we need to make some moves during the season.  

[Davidson Deac II]

26 minutes ago, BeenPounding said:

Moton's deal has never been bad if you really look at the final cost of the deal.  The team never added money to his deal ala Trent Williams.  The deal has given us the opportunity to maneuver cap space since he first signed.  Don't get caught up in the cap number.  He has started 100 straight games at a high level.  That is the type of player we need to pay.

Agreed, its a big hit this year, but overall not bad.  

[Panthero]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

And hopefully they put the rest of it in the bank so to speak in case we need to make some moves during the season.  

Man, we trying to win here. I say restructure everyone and shoot for the playoffs baybee!!!!

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

His play hasn’t been as good since 2020.  He’s really not that great.  Not bad but unremarkable.  He’s not worth paying like a cornerstone m.

I think you are wrong.

[PNW_PantherMan]

4 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I think you are wrong.

You forgot one

[PNW_PantherMan]

Here's an example of an all pro season too.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

6 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You forgot one

Still though, not a huge drop-off and he's still in the solid green and considered "High Quality" Player by PFF Standards all but 2022. That's a pro-bowl level Tackle, and top 10 RT.

Of all the players on the line, he is the least concerning for one reason or other.

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Still though, not a huge drop-off and he's still in the solid green and considered "High Quality" Player by PFF Standards all but 2022. That's a pro-bowl level Tackle, and top 10 RT.

Of all the players on the line, he is the least concerning for one reason or other.

Again I'm not saying he's a bad player.  He's a good player.  But you can't pay every good player like they're a great player.  That's my point.  That's it.  I don't know why we have so much trouble as a fanbase accepting this reality.

I hope it works out, but in my opinion you draft guys like Robert Hunt and you let teams like the Panthers give them 100 million dollar deals.  You don't use those picks on what we've used them on.  That's been our biggest problem forever.  Paying the wrong guys at the wrong time.  It goes back beyond Jake and double trouble.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Last thing I’ll say because I’m not trying to throw virtual hands at the only other people that can tolerate Panthers fandom.

i don’t think the deal we signed Moton to in 2020 was bad.  But if we’re talking about extending a 30+ year old Moton in 2025?  I’m triggered unless it’s really cheap.

[ForJimmy]

15 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Last thing I’ll say because I’m not trying to throw virtual hands at the only other people that can tolerate Panthers fandom.

i don’t think the deal we signed Moton to in 2020 was bad.  But if we’re talking about extending a 30+ year old Moton in 2025?  I’m triggered unless it’s really cheap.

He just turned 30. Trent Williams is 36 and got a 3 year extension. 30 isn’t that old for a vet OL. Now I would not pay him after this extension (if offered) past age 34. If his contract reflects his play I’m good. Not top of the league but a solid starting RT salary. It’s nice to have a solid piece of the OL not to worry about. Plus he has had few injuries so far. 

Edited September 5 by ForJimmy

[Stuart Smith]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Hed be a perennial pro bowler and second team all pro if he were on the cowboys

He shows up. Has not missed a game in several years. 

[Jackie Lee]

Spotrac numbers are in for Moton at least, We now have about $6m in cap space, Moton's number for 2025 is now up to $35M then he's off the books after that. Only a couple hundred thousand in dead cap next year after almost $50M this year so that helps absorb that blow

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total