Did Steve Smith influence Tepper into firing Frank Reich?

[SOJA]

10 hours ago, frankw said:

I think at some point in the season Reich basically fired himself. There was not any influence needed.

One day we will get a full story of how everything went down. Just expect to hear some things that will surprise you.

This is not sarcasm, but do you have inside sources? I can imagine just from what I've read heard that things were BAD behind closed doors last year; product on the field is evidence alone 

[SOJA]

4 hours ago, Gapanthersfan said:

TinFoil hat theory that I’ve stuck to ever since about game 4 last year. This is long. 

Frank’s body language and overall lack of enthusiasm at any point in his tenure here showed that Bryce was not his guy. He was probably another con job victim of T, but T had to have 1. Someone he could push around and 2. Someone with local ties to try to ease the PR and team morale disaster that was letting Wilks go the way that he did. Putting the band back together was the new narrative.

Frank thought he would get CJ. The team loaded up personnel to coach CJ. Then they pick Bryce. It didn’t take long before Frank went in to ‘I don’t need this ish mode.’ You could see it with the very first TC interviews. He’s on the sunset of his career, he has money, but T gave dude a lot of money.

Most contracts at least in my industry have verbiage to the effect of if you quit without material breach of contract by the employer, the prorated GROSS amount of the bonus paid up front will be owed back to the employer. No company is going to pay a large sum up front without strings attached. That’d be dumb. 

 So, the taxman taketh. Say you get a $10million. Make the math easy. Call it govt takes 40%. You get $6m, but if you quit without employer breech,  you cough up $4m of your own to cover the difference because you owe the gross back, not the net. They gave you 10, they want 10, you only got 6. Now, there may be a tax loophole that makes my point entirely moot, I  don’t think so, but I’m not an accountant. So that’s a hell to the naw ghost rider. You rarely see NFL coaches quit and I believe this is a factor.

Frank knew he had to get fired without breaching his side of the contract. Losing probably wouldn’t be enough. T is loaded, but all the same, it’s an embarrassing hit to his ego to Fire a coach that soon. Nope. 

Ickey got Frank fired. Game after game, he’s beat like a drum, but glaringly, he never really got help to beat the speed rush. Frank knew that they would never win a game this way, and that Bryce would eventually get murdered. He forced T’s hand. Fire me or I get the kid you traded the world for killed. It was a standoff between the 2 sides, but it was only a matter of time. T had to, it was only a matter of time. The other coaches that didn’t want Bryce needed their out as well. Speed rush on the left side was that out. If Smitty helped, Frank probably bought him another G Wagon out of gratitude. 

Is this complete speculation on my behalf that the internal voices helped me compile? Yes, but I’ve stuck to my meds this time around and I trust my man Russell. He’s always been one of the few that I can trust. 

I think a very reasonable conspirary theory is that when Frank was hired his pitch was trade up to #2 overall and get Stroud as it was highly speculated Houston was trading up to #1 for Bryce. When Fitterer pulled the trigger to go to one everything changed. 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, SOJA said:

This is not sarcasm, but do you have inside sources? I can imagine just from what I've read heard that things were BAD behind closed doors last year; product on the field is evidence alone 

I do not no. I'm not pretending to or making claims of such just to be clear.

All we have to go on is the official word from Mr. Tepper and we all know how well that is to be trusted.

At some point Reich and other former coaches will speak out. Could be years from now who knows. But behind closed doors there were definitely things going on we are still not privy to. Especially in relation to the ultimate decision on who to draft with the first pick. From there we've already long known Tepper is very meddlesome. He was all about getting his face in front of the cameras after we traded up to the first overall pick and following the draft. Talking about point guard we don't need to invest heavily in WR's now yada yada. He was holding weekly meetings with Reich.

It was not meant to be regardless. None of this absolves Reich in any way he was poo here there's no denying that. But Tepper unequivocally played his role in the whole fiasco. Just how much we will not know until one of the former coaches speaks out. We'll get the full scoop one day.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Another thing is that "all star coaching staff" probably made it so there were too many cooks in the kitchen.  The coaching staff ended up being broken into different factions by the time Reich was toast.  That's kinda wild to me.

[countryboi]

2 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Another thing is that "all star coaching staff" probably made it so there were too many cooks in the kitchen.  The coaching staff ended up being broken into different factions by the time Reich was toast.  That's kinda wild to me.

this dude hired a "all star staff" and didnt listen to any of them

[Buckets]

Eh, it seemed like Reich was always a bad coach when you dug into his track record

[frankw]

15 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I woke up between 2 beautiful ladies.  A redhead and a sweet brunette.   Sad thing is I don't remember ANY of the night before. 

So I got dressed and let myself out. Had to located my space freighter, hoping like he'll nobody stole my high priority freight.  Tin foil hates for the huddle!! 

Don't worry brothers, I'll be there soon!!!

Maybe try sobering up for awhile.

[Johnstonny]

8 hours ago, Buckets said:

Eh, it seemed like Reich was always a bad coach when you dug into his track record

Yea... A simple google search and some reasoning ability would have went a long way.

[strato]

If that guy would have just bonded his caps I would have listened.  
 

[RumHam]

"We know how Frank was asked to add it by Tepper and he said no."

For people saying Tepper has no influence on play calling.

[CamWhoaaCam]

10 hours ago, Buckets said:

Eh, it seemed like Reich was always a bad coach when you dug into his track record

This guy gets it.

 

The guy was coming off a losing season and was fired. Tepper is so dumb he hired him anyway despite the red flags.

 

I will say it again Tepper should not be making any football decisions. He's shown he knows nothing about the sport. 

[NorthTryon]

Steve is a horrible commentator, play by play guy. He is combative about nonsense at one time telling his co-commentator he looked like he ate his own boogers during a telecast. He struggles to make coherent points and his scouting prowess has always been as suspect as his support to every WR we drafted during his tenure. And Mingo is the biggest example of this to date. I hope no one is listening to him within the organization about anything except how to adjust to underthrown passes. 

[SOJA]

20 hours ago, frankw said:

I do not no. I'm not pretending to or making claims of such just to be clear.

All we have to go on is the official word from Mr. Tepper and we all know how well that is to be trusted.

At some point Reich and other former coaches will speak out. Could be years from now who knows. But behind closed doors there were definitely things going on we are still not privy to. Especially in relation to the ultimate decision on who to draft with the first pick. From there we've already long known Tepper is very meddlesome. He was all about getting his face in front of the cameras after we traded up to the first overall pick and following the draft. Talking about point guard we don't need to invest heavily in WR's now yada yada. He was holding weekly meetings with Reich.

It was not meant to be regardless. None of this absolves Reich in any way he was poo here there's no denying that. But Tepper unequivocally played his role in the whole fiasco. Just how much we will not know until one of the former coaches speaks out. We'll get the full scoop one day.

agreed

[Jackie Lee]

Seems like the most appropriate thread for this nugget