Our Picks According to PFT

[section543]

what's wrong with our safeties and offensive line? either godfrey or martin will be a 2nd string safety. schwartz is backing up the tackle spot, and bernadeau or robinson are at guard. one will start and one will backup. that's two quality offensive line backups. i don't know much about the other o-linemen on the team. we have much more pressing needs than safety and o-line. wide receiver is a huge hole on our team. we need two quality guys from the draft if we aren't signing a veteran. we need a return man from somewhere badly.

Not saying these are our top needs, just that if we go BPA- OL, S, or CB might be the pick here. I guess I'm not seeing the guy at #48 that can start here right away. Yes that IS scary!

[CRA]

But what does that have to do with my argument about Godfry.

Im not suggesting Godfry is great by any means. Im arguing its pretty obvious Godfry imporved passing wise and that Martin wasnt anything better.

What do you have to dispute that?

Um, Martin started against the Cardinals, Saints, and Falcons. Probably the toughest 3 game stretch against passing offenses on the schedule last year. Martin was better in coverage.....doesn't matter what that site says. If stats shows that Godfrey was better in coverage than Martin.....than that just reinforces that saying that stats can be manipulated to show anything.

[MaineManPanther]

Um, Martin started against the Cardinals, Saints, and Falcons. Probably the toughest 3 game stretch against passing offenses on the schedule last year. Martin was better in coverage.....doesn't matter what that site says. If stats shows that Godfrey was better in coverage than Martin.....than that just reinforces that saying that stats can be manipulated to show anything.

Martin's toughest stretch:

NO-4th rank passing attack

ARZ-12th rank passing attack

ATL-14th rank passing attack

Godfry's toughest stretch-

NE-3rd rank passing attack

MIN-8th rank passing attack

NYG-11th rank passing attack

Godfry faced the harder passing oppnents and still managed better performances

[CRA]

Martin's toughest stretch:

NO-4th rank passing attack

ARZ-12th rank passing attack

ATL-14th rank passing attack

Godfry's toughest stretch-

NE-3rd rank passing attack

MIN-8th rank passing attack

NYG-11th rank passing attack

Godfry faced the harder passing oppnents and still managed better performances

stats don't always reflect the reality of the NFL. Arguing Godrey was better in coverage is absurd if you watched Carolina.

also, team rankings can drastically change with 2 weeks of play.....those stats are not the end all be all judge for measuring how good a team was. They are often very decieving.

[MaineManPanther]

stats don't always reflect the reality of the NFL. Arguing Godrey was better in coverage is absurd if you watched Carolina.

also, team rankings can drastically change with 2 weeks of play.....those stats are not the end all be all judge for measuring how good a team was.

If your quick to dismiss the team ranking argument as flawed, then why bring it up as part of your argument?

The people who rate the players watch every play of every game. So they watch carolina just as much as you.

[CRA]

If your quick to dismiss the team ranking argument as flawed, then why bring it up as part of your argument?

The people who rate the players watch every play of every game. So they watch carolina just as much as you.

I didn't bring up team rankings.

[AceMan]

If your quick to dismiss the team ranking argument as flawed, then why bring it up as part of your argument?

The people who rate the players watch every play of every game. So they watch carolina just as much as you.

It's BS and flawed. Just drop it Maine...

Stats proved R.Marshall was a better corner than Gamble all year last season and you don't see people using that.

[MaineManPanther]

I didn't bring up team rankings.

You brought up the argument that Martin was better because of the passing oppenents he played. I used the same argument for Godfry, but you dimiss it because the play of the team can change quickly.

But I could apply that same logic to your inital one about Martin passing opponents. So why do you even bring that argument up if its so unreliable?

[CRA]

You brought up the argument that Martin was better because of the passing oppenents he played. I used the same argument for Godfry, but you dimiss it because the play of the team can change quickly.

But I could apply that same logic to your inital one about Martin passing opponents. So why do you even bring that argument up if its so unreliable?

b/c based on what I saw that 3 game stretch was the toughest 3 game stretch imo for the secondary. that was my opinion based on the football I watched.

Sorry, I just can't see an any arguement for Godfrey being better in coverage than Martin last season.....no matter what stats are found on a website. You could have Martin join the huddle and have him support your stance....and even that probably wouldn't convince me.

[MaineManPanther]

It's BS and flawed. Just drop it Maine...

Stats proved R.Marshall was a better corner than Gamble all year last season and you don't see people using that.

Explain to me how its BS.

What stats prove Marshall was a better overall corner?

[CRA]

Explain to me how its BS.

What stats prove Marshall was a better overall corner?

your site, shows Marshall was the best in coverage and Gamble was the worst in coveage in the secondary......also, our guys play sides and not WRs. You think Marshall was better than Gamble and to the extreme your site shows?

[MaineManPanther]

your site, shows Marshall was the best in coverage and Gamble was the worst in coveage in the secondary......also, our guys play sides and not WRs. You think Marshall was better than Gamble and to the extreme your site shows?

First off the only player you can compare Gamble to is Marshall. All the other secondary are different postions and resposiblilites.

All my site states is that in the year 2009 Marshall was overall more productive in coverage then Gamble. How is that so hard to believe?

It still states that overall Gamble was the better corner.

[CRA]

First off the only player you can compare Gamble to is Marshall. All the other secondary are different postions and resposiblilites.

All my site states is that in the year 2009 Marshall was overall more productive in coverage then Gamble. How is that so hard to believe?

It still states that overall Gamble was the better corner.

well, I am directly comparing Gamble and Marshall......Marshall was not better to the absurd degree that site claims in coverage. Also, realistically, I would say Captain was just as good when playing the #2 spot as Marshall.

That sites rankings do not explain who was the best and worst on this team.

[MaineManPanther]

well, I am directly comparing Gamble and Marshall......Marshall was not better to the absurd degree that site claims in coverage. Also, realistically, I would say Captain was just as good when playing the #2 spot as Marshall.

That sites rankings do not explain who was the best and worst on this team.

A 4.9 difference its not absurd. Noticable but not huge.

Also its not as if they played at 4.9 difference every game. It over the whole season.

Captian didn't play half the number snaps Gamble or Marshall did. So I don't think its realistic to say after one year, after half the snaps Captian is as good.

True, it ranks who had the more productive overall season. From there you can draw your own opinons.