Our Picks According to PFT

[Guest silver82blade]

I have a strange feeling a lot of people will be disappointed when we don't drafta WR early. We always get caught up in comparing the prospects with each other, and not with who is already in the league. I like Gilyard too, but not sure he is 2nd round talent. I'm afraid that would be a reach. In fact, according to some sites, there are very few WRs who have sub 4.5 speed who are considered 1-4 round prospects. I think we need someone who can be a KR and maybe slot guy and can be had in rounds 4-6. I'm not sure anyone of the top guys who would be available at #48 could start for us.

It would not surprise me if we went safety or OL at #48 on BPA strategy.

what's wrong with our safeties and offensive line? either godfrey or martin will be a 2nd string safety. schwartz is backing up the tackle spot, and bernadeau or robinson are at guard. one will start and one will backup. that's two quality offensive line backups. i don't know much about the other o-linemen on the team. we have much more pressing needs than safety and o-line. wide receiver is a huge hole on our team. we need two quality guys from the draft if we aren't signing a veteran. we need a return man from somewhere badly.

[RockyTopVol]

I'd love to get Crompton he's the fourth best QB in this draft behind Bradford, Mccoy, and Clausen.

While I'm glad Jim Chaney (UT's OC) figured out that Crompton can succeed when rolled out, I am going to have to go ahead and strongly disagree with this statement.

Again, I'm happy he was able to finish his college career with about five good games, but if you guys thought Delhomme's meltdowns were frustrating...you'd swear off football if this guy were to ever be named starter in Charlotte.

[stan786]

While I'm glad Jim Chaney (UT's OC) figured out that Crompton can succeed when rolled out, I am going to have to go ahead and strongly disagree with this statement.

Again, I'm happy he was able to finish his college career with about five good games, but if you guys thought Delhomme's meltdowns were frustrating...you'd swear off football if this guy were to ever be named starter in Charlotte.

Hey he's really good in practice at least.

[Lout]

what's wrong with our safeties and offensive line? either godfrey or martin will be a 2nd string safety. schwartz is backing up the tackle spot, and bernadeau or robinson are at guard. one will start and one will backup. that's two quality offensive line backups. i don't know much about the other o-linemen on the team. we have much more pressing needs than safety and o-line. wide receiver is a huge hole on our team. we need two quality guys from the draft if we aren't signing a veteran. we need a return man from somewhere badly.

We will need a backup Center.. we will take one with one of our comp picks I bet.

[CRA]

what's wrong with our safeties and offensive line? either godfrey or martin will be a 2nd string safety. schwartz is backing up the tackle spot, and bernadeau or robinson are at guard. one will start and one will backup. that's two quality offensive line backups. i don't know much about the other o-linemen on the team. we have much more pressing needs than safety and o-line. wide receiver is a huge hole on our team. we need two quality guys from the draft if we aren't signing a veteran. we need a return man from somewhere badly.

well, if last year's depth chart remains the same....both starting S's (Harris and Godfrey) flat out suck in coverage. Yeah, people claim Godfrey improved after his injury and he did....but the ONLY thing he improved in was tackling (and not open field tackling, he was able to knock some balls out when he was able to get to the opponent before he had some steam rolling).

[CharlotteBeer.com]

well, if last year's depth chart remains the same....both starting S's (Harris and Godfrey) flat out suck in coverage. Yeah, people claim Godfrey improved after his injury and he did....but the ONLY thing he improved in was tackling (and not open field tackling, he was able to knock some balls out when he was able to get to the opponent before he had some steam rolling).

I agree. Harris is good at playing the run and laying those big hits -- he would shine even brighter if we had a ballhawk at free safety. I hope Martin can be that guy.

I'd rather us take a DT or DE, but if the best player available was a safety, I don't think I'd be too terribly upset. This defense could be something great with a smart ballhawk at the safety position, a la the Colts with Sanders. A competent safety (and of course an effective pass rush) can really change the way a cover two plays.

[MaineManPanther]

well, if last year's depth chart remains the same....both starting S's (Harris and Godfrey) flat out suck in coverage. Yeah, people claim Godfrey improved after his injury and he did....but the ONLY thing he improved in was tackling (and not open field tackling, he was able to knock some balls out when he was able to get to the opponent before he had some steam rolling).

Godfry stats:

http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&lastname=Godfrey&surn=Godfrey&playerid=4381

As you can see he certiantly struggled pass coverage in the beginning. Recieving a overall -3.0 in coverage the before the injury. In fact only one game had a positive performance.

The games after injury show defitnte imporvement.Performing only one game with a negative coverage performance. All others had postive marks. With a overall of 2.2 postive rating. Roughly a five point imporvment.

Martin convesley was worse in pass compared to the late season Godfry. Martin registred -2.1 overall in coverage during his starts.

[CRA]

Godfry stats:

http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&lastname=Godfrey&surn=Godfrey&playerid=4381

As you can see he certiantly struggled pass coverage in the beginning. Recieving a overall -3.0 in coverage the before the injury. In fact only one game had a positive performance.

The games after injury show defitnte imporvement.Performing only one game with a negative coverage performance. All others had postive marks. With a overall of 2.2 postive rating. Roughly a five point imporvment.

Martin convesley was worse in pass compared to the late season Godfry. Martin registred -2.1 overall in coverage during his starts.

that site has some flaws with it and has been discussed by many boards...plus, stats are and can be misleading in terms of performance. Godfrey made some steps forward with certain aspeact of his tackling last year....that was it. Godfrey nor Harris are good in coverage.

[MaineManPanther]

that site has some flaws with it and has been discussed by many boards...plus, stats are and can be misleading in terms of performance. Godfrey made some steps forward with certain aspeact of his tackling last year....that was it. Godfrey nor Harris are good in coverage.

What flaws specifically? Also compared to what? One fans exspirence of watching some plays? They watch every play of every game.

Martin and Godfry are both rated under the same anlayisis and scale. So even if there are flaws, it affects both of them. So regardless it proves late season Godry was better then Martin in coverage.

[ChucktownK]

A LB from Clemons?!?!?!

No thanks...throw him back.

[CRA]

What flaws specifically? Also compared to what? One fans exspirence of watching some plays? They watch every play of every game.

Martin and Godfry are both rated under the same anlayisis and scale. So even if there are flaws, it affects both of them. So regardless it proves late season Godry was better then Martin in coverage.

ok, they watched every game played and rated DeAngelo as the 25th best RB. That is what there stats show.....there stats don't show you exactly what is occuring on the field. They are just numbers.

as far as the way they rate coverage ability.....Chris Gamble is rated 9th out of 9 DB/S. So if there method is accurate.....why the heck is even on the roster? Every DB, S, LB, and DL on the roster was rated better than Gamble in pass coverage.....do you think Gamble is the worst on the entire team in coverage? That is what that site shows.

[MaineManPanther]

ok, they watched every game played and rated DeAngelo as the 25th best RB. That is what there stats show.....there stats don't show you exactly what is occuring on the field. They are just numbers.

Your looking at it the wrong way. Its a ranking who had the best overall perfomance of that year. Not a ranking of who is better overall.

What hurt Williams was when he recived injuries late in the season and still played . Most of those runs werent up to par (because of his injury). Before that he was in the top ten.

Im not naive enough to think this site is prefect. But in the case of Martin and Godfry when exposed to the same rating system. And not suffering with external factors (injury etc) that affected Williams. There really isnt a way to say Martin was better.

Itd be one thing if Godfry imporved by 1-2 points. But when you jump to a 5 point diffrence its a big enough jump with or without flaws to say he defitley imporved in passing coverage.

[CRA]

Im not naive enough to think this site is prefect. But in the case of Martin and Godfry when exposed to the same rating system. And not suffering with external factors (injury etc) that affected Williams. There really isnt a way to say Martin was better.

Itd be one thing if Godfry imporved by 1-2 points. But when you jump to a 5 point diffrence its a big enough jump with or without flaws to say he defitley imporved in passing coverage.

again, so you think in the year 2009 Chris Gamble was the worst on the team in coverage? If he is as bad as they show....why are we paying him and how does he have a roster spot?

[MaineManPanther]

again, so you think in the year 2009 Chris Gamble was the worst on the team in coverage? If he is as bad as they show....why are we paying him and how does he have a roster spot?

Because overall he's a better player? Maybe beccause he's clearly the best in run, which is big in a scheme such as the cover two in which corners have increased run stopping responsibilities. He's the most expeirened? Did he plays the oppents best players? There could be numerous resaons.

But what does that have to do with my argument about Godfry.

Im not suggesting Godfry is great by any means. Im arguing its pretty obvious Godfry imporved passing wise and that Martin wasnt anything better.

What do you have to dispute that?