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Call me crazy, but we might have improved the pass rush after all

Icege

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42 minutes ago, strato said:

I may be off on this one but I see so much bullshit in general, that has stats to back it up. You can twist numbers all around by changing the way you get them.

At the end of the day it’s just how Clowney compares to Burns. I would think Wonnum is better than YGM at this point in his career and the rest are rotational rushers that would be a huge bonus if any of them can produce. 

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1 hour ago, strato said:

I may be off on this one but I see so much bullshit in general, that has stats to back it up. You can twist numbers all around by changing the way you get them.

He wasn't using stats. He was pulling poo out of his ass.

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5 hours ago, hepcat said:

For as hyped as he was and as big of a name as he is, Clowneys stats are not that great. 

Well the hype was generational pass rusher.  Like hall of fame level player.  He's not that good but he is a good edge.

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29 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Well the hype was generational pass rusher.  Like hall of fame level player.  He's not that good but he is a good edge.

That term gets thrown around way too often. 

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1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

One could argue our RUSH defense should be much improved.  

An improved Rush defense combined with an improved offense, should inn theory, improve the pass rush just because of those 2 things. 

Bryce Young passes the ball to Xavier Leggette, XL turns up field and levels Derek Carr for a monster sack? 

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They obviously focused on stopping the run, if that's effective they would have more opportunities at 3rd and long pass rushes. Evero also is willing to send like 5,6,7 dudes on a blitz when he gets the chance. I'm not expecting any one player to consistently pressure the qb off the edge though

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12 hours ago, csx said:

Three times huh? 

Opponent Pass Attempts (per game):

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-pass-attempts-per-game

Carolina: 28 3

Minnesota: 35.6

 

 

 

 

Pass attempts is not the same as pass rush snaps. 
 

wonnum was one of 51 players with 300 pass rush snaps. His pass rush pressure rating was 43rd out 51, his win rate was last. He’s one of the most inefficient pass rushers in the nfl. 
 

Burns according to advanced stats on ESPN had 189 pass rush snaps and was doubled on 14% of them.

 

but let’s not compared Wonnum to Burns, that’s not fair to wonnum.
 

compare him to YGM.
 

YGM - higher pressure rate, better win rate, better run defender. 
For those PFF people, higher overall grade. 

so yeah…. 

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15 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Well the hype was generational pass rusher.  Like hall of fame level player.  He's not that good but he is a good edge.

I never saw a cooler play than in that bowl game. He never really lived up to that but hey, still makes some plays.

He was like, ‘nah fug y’all we win’ end of story.

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7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Theres way more generational prospects than there are generational players.

A generational player does not come around every year. They come around once in a decade, maybe two decades.  So I do not agree about generational prospects. You cannot predict them, they rise to the top when the games are played. 

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