Giants thought they would have to give up more in trade for Brian Burns

[Call Me James]

This team drafts poorly and attempts to fix it by overcompensating in free agency.

we broke down the defense to spend a fug ton of money to fix a qb we traded up for who wasn’t even the right pick.

 

this site is so consistent. I bet if I go to the hornets thread I’ll see folks saying we should trade bridges because of this draft pick 

[Shotgun]

21 hours ago, Navy_football said:

I don't get why a lot can't see this. I think the defense is better without him and his one splash play every 2-3 games. Consistent pressure on the QB is vastly more impactful than the occassional super sack. Being able to set the edge is crucial to stopping the run. Off tackle runs are your back breaker, big runs. 

That’s why passing on 2 1st and 1 2nd for him was maybe the dumbest thing in NFL history. 

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, Call Me James said:

I’m sorry. Is this the same team over paying every journeyman qb.

the same team that kept cmc on the books.

the same team who continues to extend Thomas.

It sounds good, but I’ve realized yall miss the point.

we aren’t overpaying too many players: because every single one of the players we’ve complained about have gone elsewhere and find success.

 

we just suck at team building because yall would rather feel better in your f150

You are literally naming players we overpaid but aren't premium players(minus CMC, that's just a non-premium position).

We suck at team building because we hire moron after moron in the front office and/or as head coach.

That's how you end up turning down a haul for Burns that could have changed our fortunes completely. 

But, that would require them not to be idiots. The CMC haul was probably the best RB haul you will see in a long time but the idiots in charge immediately squandered the draft capital gained.

Most of the players we have had go elsewhere and find success, had success here too. The far greater pool is players that weren't successful here, a portion of the idiots here still believe are just being held back by some situation here but then they go elsewhere and stink. More fodder for the very obvious, which is that we have some of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Shotgun said:

That’s why passing on 2 1st and 1 2nd for him was maybe the dumbest thing in NFL history. 

It was definitely the dumbest move/non-move in Panthers team history.

The only thing that makes it sting less is that we would have fuged up all those picks anyway, so would it have actually mattered?

[strato]

Yeah it would have mattered because we would probably be at around 50% on the picks and we’d have the ones we traded so we are 50% on them, and DJ Moore on that contract. Net gain of some kind of better. 

Changing that could have changed the direction prior to the 2023 draft. Maybe we trade those picks for a vet QB. No way to say what would have ensued. I do recognize the black cat factor and probability that something wrong will happen at regular intervals. 

 

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Shotgun said:

That’s why passing on 2 1st and 1 2nd for him was maybe the dumbest thing in NFL history. 

That's a long history and I'm sure there are worse things but yeah, this was up there in the 'airballed a slam dunk' category. Just pure stupidity.

[PleaseCutStewart]

Seeing as how the Bears pretty much got the same thing for a better, more complete Montez Sweat (that also cost them less money to sign to a deal), I can live with getting a 2nd. Obviously it's no 2 1sts, but that scenario was never happening again for Burns

[Waldo]

2 hours ago, strato said:

Yeah it would have mattered because we would probably be at around 50% on the picks and we’d have the ones we traded so we are 50% on them, and DJ Moore on that contract. Net gain of some kind of better. 

Changing that could have changed the direction prior to the 2023 draft. Maybe we trade those picks for a vet QB. No way to say what would have ensued. I do recognize the black cat factor and probability that something wrong will happen at regular intervals. 

 

They have been no where close to 50% on the picks since 2019. They are lucky to hit on 1 pick per draft. Most of that trade capital would have been wasted by poor picks or projects that can't develop with so little tallent around them.

 

 

[strato]

58 minutes ago, Waldo said:

They have been no where close to 50% on the picks since 2019. They are lucky to hit on 1 pick per draft. Most of that trade capital would have been wasted by poor picks or projects that can't develop with so little tallent around them.

 

 

These are higher picks, easier to find starters, and I am gonna hold that the coaching was failing players. How many coaches and OCs have there been? So maybe things are a bit different with a unified staff. We will get to see how they (staff) do with the ‘failures’ that are not too far gone. 

Horn we know, it is injuries and it wasn’t predictable (like people may feel about the new RB).

Icky looked really bad last year, yep he sure did. But not as horrible the first year. So we will see. 

Good lord I agree on Young being a huge mistake but they may be able to coach him up and scheme things to where he is maybe 50% of what was hoped for. 

These second round receivers, we have had crap QB play and that does not help them. The multiple OCs and HCs certainly doasn’t. I am just saying the players could have talent but the coaches we had were failing them and the QBs we had were failing them. Where was any continuity for these young players? That poo is very important. (and we know the don’t All pan out regardless of anything else)

I have been a hard pessimist the last 6 years, and think they earned every bit of fail that came to them (and trickled down to us) , at the same time if you can’t think there could have been other possible outcomes with different people involved, you have out pessimisted me. That is a chore, congratulations. 

Edited June 27 by strato

[strato]

Also, on the OL, and in regards to missing maybe on Icky,  it has become very difficult to project college tackles in the NFL because college has changed so much the last however many years. 

I think what they did with the guards is what should happen with the tackles, we find guys that have proven adaptability to the pro game and just pay them. Draft them much lower, take your D line beasts and skill players up top. 

Edited June 27 by strato

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 hours ago, Shotgun said:

That’s why passing on 2 1st and 1 2nd for him was maybe the dumbest thing in NFL history. 

It was dumb to turn that down from the teams perspective.  But Fitterer doesn’t survive to see either of those 1sts even with Burns on the roster.  I doubt if he trades him Teppers like let this guy cook for another couple years lol.

He didn’t do it because he knew it wasn’t in his best interest as general manager.  That’s kind of the unfortunate reality a lot of the time.

[Gapanthersfan]

Since I’ve been paying attention to Panthers football (started inn2092 season), they have NEVER been able to develop talent. They either draft HOF’ers/fringe HOF’ers, or people that are out of the nfl in 3 years. Rarely in between. FAs 99% of the time come to Charlotte to grab a check and retire. Good FAs: Greg, Norwell, Proehl and Luvu. I’m sure there’s more, but the list is short. 

2003 was lightning in a freaking bottle. Jake that year was a really good qb, and the absolute perfect pairing with a developing Smitty, but that season doesn’t happen without 89, Peppers and Morgan. Same with 2005. 

2015. Men among men…

Seasons that we don’t draft a HOFer on both sides of the ball, are either duds or barely .500, we’ll get em next year. Marty at least knew a blue chip player when he saw one. It’s been the only hope we’ve had for a good season for 20 years. 

 

[mrcompletely11]

24 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It was dumb to turn that down from the teams perspective.  But Fitterer doesn’t survive to see either of those 1sts even with Burns on the roster.  I doubt if he trades him Teppers like let this guy cook for another couple years lol.

He didn’t do it because he knew it wasn’t in his best interest as general manager.  That’s kind of the unfortunate reality a lot of the time.

Now do morgan. 

[ForJimmy]

34 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It was dumb to turn that down from the teams perspective.  But Fitterer doesn’t survive to see either of those 1sts even with Burns on the roster.  I doubt if he trades him Teppers like let this guy cook for another couple years lol.

He didn’t do it because he knew it wasn’t in his best interest as general manager.  That’s kind of the unfortunate reality a lot of the time.

This is the reason future picks are valued less by GMs than current picks. Two future 1st with one 2 plus years away don’t hold the kind of value that 2 current 1st round picks do. It was still a bad trade to reject, but it looks worse as the years approach where the picks actually are/ would have been.