Has anyone here ever met David Tepper in person?

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

You aren't going all in on an anomaly QB.....when you are just inserting him into standard NFL offenses.  

Unique QBs require teams to be unique on offense. 

Being not good enough isn't unique or an anomaly. Cam and Jackson are unique. Murray and Tua are anomalies, good enough with their talent to stick around but not coming close to a SB regardless of the talent levels around them. 

They have no decent option B this year again. If he craters then having what they are asking him to do at the minimum would be great. It wouldn't save the season but they could at least build something basic around the other guys. Hell maybe some players could improve in that situation. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Being not good enough isn't unique or an anomaly. Cam and Jackson are unique. Murray and Tua are anomalies, good enough with their talent to stick around but not coming close to a SB regardless of the talent levels around them. 

They have no decent option B this year again. If he craters then having what they are asking him to do at the minimum would be great. It wouldn't save the season but they could at least build something basic around the other guys. Hell maybe some players could improve in that situation. 

being the smallest QB since the 40s makes you an anomaly in the NFL.  Especially paired with a meh arm. 

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

being the smallest QB since the 40s makes you an anomaly in the NFL.  Especially paired with a meh arm. 

5'10" is the bottom of the scale for sure but not an anomaly at this point. Murray reset the standards for a 5'10" QB being drafted in the 1st (by 1" from a SB winning QB not taken in the 1st) so it's more of a standard deviation at this point. I have no idea on the weight stuff because it's all so fudged and is not really what is limiting him at this time vs the height/arm/legs combo.

IDK, I don't see enough with Bryce to call him an anomaly. He just looks like he was built to fail in the NFL. Even high QB picks busting isn't abnormal. 

 

[PootieNunu]

6 hours ago, Waldo said:

5'10" is the bottom of the scale for sure but not an anomaly at this point. Murray reset the standards for a 5'10" QB being drafted in the 1st (by 1" from a SB winning QB not taken in the 1st) so it's more of a standard deviation at this point. I have no idea on the weight stuff because it's all so fudged and is not really what is limiting him at this time vs the height/arm/legs combo.

IDK, I don't see enough with Bryce to call him an anomaly. He just looks like he was built to fail in the NFL. Even high QB picks busting isn't abnormal. 

 

Murray is/was lightning quick and very elusive, Bryce moves like Tom Brady in comparison. 

Murray also has a huge arm.

The only comparable traits between he and Bryce are height/weight

[Waldo]

9 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

Murray is/was lightning quick and very elusive, Bryce moves like Tom Brady in comparison. 

Murray also has a huge arm.

The only comparable traits between he and Bryce are height/weight

Yeah on the skill side it's obvious in the differences in ability. He even has a good 20 to 15 lbs on Bryce by the eye test. He was also the first 5'10" QB drafted in the 1st since the 60s.

I don't think there is a way to quantify how Byce matches up skill wise to other 1st round QBs but it looks towards the bottom.

[strato]

Yea

9 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

Murray is/was lightning quick and very elusive, Bryce moves like Tom Brady in comparison. 

Murray also has a huge arm.

The only comparable traits between he and Bryce are height/weight

I have to say, Murray seems unlikable to me, and Young doesn’t. I believe (right or wrong) that Young will watch film without being forced to, and probably understand it a little better too. 

Despite his physical superiority head to head I wouldn’t want Murray either, but if you are going to pick that size player go with the best tool set. Arm, speed, thicker build, all go Murray. I would pass on him too though.

[RumHam]

ive said this about tepper, same going back to rhule. They're great dudes on a social level. Who wouldn't go fishing with Matt Rhule? You know that poo would be fun af. Tepper can run a hedge fund, be a good boss, all that, but both things are true: Stay the hell out of NFL football.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

On 6/23/2024 at 1:16 PM, Johnstonny said:

...Most likely case to play out.... unless he lights it up.... stay tuned folks.

 

On 6/23/2024 at 12:34 PM, JawnyBlaze said:

“Doubling down” would be giving him a new contract when the time comes. Giving him a second year isn’t doubling down, it’s not being stupid. Even I, who always wanted Stroud and see nothing of value in Bryce, still want Bryce to get another shot this year. Worst case scenario is also the best case scenario: he gets us a high enough pick to take his replacement. 

Worst case scenario is he is just good enough to keep us back at mediocrity until we do another massive trade that sets us back for a #1 pick

[CPcavedweller]

On 6/22/2024 at 11:48 AM, musicman said:

I've had a ton of interactions, all really cool to basic hellos. I've joked with him, talked music, I had to hold his phone while he did an interview, he once came behind me (while I was working) and rubbed my head to simply saying hello in passing, etc. I've never had a bad interaction with him and Nicole is amazing, always saying hello, giving hugs, just a genuinely nice person. I believe Mr. Tepper is super smart, knows what he wants and is struggling to get there (not all his fault - players play and coaches coach too). Football is not basic business. The ebb and flow of a game, the ref calls, the way the football bounces, to injuries, etc all play into winning and losing. It's not just the owner but all eyes are on him everyday. Unfortunately, people judge and have opinions, right or wrong. I really believe he just wants to win and be a hero to the city. I am a fan of the Teppers, even if it's not the popular opinion.

He could’ve been a hero by not forcing the team to draft Bryce young. 

[OneBadCat]

On 6/24/2024 at 4:21 PM, Waldo said:

5'10" is the bottom of the scale for sure but not an anomaly at this point. Murray reset the standards for a 5'10" QB being drafted in the 1st (by 1" from a SB winning QB not taken in the 1st) so it's more of a standard deviation at this point. I have no idea on the weight stuff because it's all so fudged and is not really what is limiting him at this time vs the height/arm/legs combo.

IDK, I don't see enough with Bryce to call him an anomaly. He just looks like he was built to fail in the NFL. Even high QB picks busting isn't abnormal. 

 

I’m not sure Bryce is even 5’10. However I do think the height aspect is slightly overrated in today’s game. Especially if you consider that linemen are a lot shorter when they are in their stance. 

[ClawOn]

On 6/24/2024 at 10:24 PM, PootieNunu said:

Murray is/was lightning quick and very elusive, Bryce moves like Tom Brady in comparison. 

Murray also has a huge arm.

The only comparable traits between he and Bryce are height/weight

I'm not a fan so far but Bryce proved himself as a reasonably tough runner last season 

[PootieNunu]

3 hours ago, ClawOn said:

I'm not a fan so far but Bryce proved himself as a reasonably tough runner last season 

Reasonably tough, but no where near Kyler's level. No one is game planning to stop Bryce as a runner. 

Murray is like Mike Vick lite.

Bryce scrambles like Teddy B

Edited July 5 by PootieNunu

[Waldo]

12 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

I’m not sure Bryce is even 5’10. However I do think the height aspect is slightly overrated in today’s game. Especially if you consider that linemen are a lot shorter when they are in their stance. 

I have no idea how they could fake the height like they do with the weight but if you figure that out Im listening, he doesn't look 5'10" to me either.

His height is an issue because he doesn't have the wheels to escape and make room to throw like Murray. What he can't see during plays is the issue and it shows on film. The 2 first interceptions prove this and showed how bad the entire thing really was.

[dave-o]

Looking forward to our next attempt at QB....