Nate Tice article on Bryce Young

[strato]

14 hours ago, rayzor said:

And because of this you're going to hold onto highly unrealistic expectations of him. You'll never be satisfied.

At this point it doesn't matter where he was drafted. We got him. We aren't getting another Cam. We lucked out.

How often do QBs drafted in the top 3 or even at #1 turn into absolute studs?

It doesn't matter that they "should".

It is sort of like, you go out and spend a lot for a fancy steak at a top spot and the service is slow and the steak isn’t cooked as you requested. It is a big letdown. 

The waiter still wants his tip, the government wants its tax, the joint wants its menu price.

edit: I mean, you know the feeling, sucker. Feeling like you were taken. 

Edited June 14 by strato

[rayzor]

12 minutes ago, strato said:

It is sort of like, you go out and spend a lot for a fancy steak at a top spot and the service is slow and the steak isn’t cooked as you requested. It is a big letdown. 

The waiter still wants his tip, the government wants its tax, the joint wants its menu price.

edit: I mean, you know the feeling, sucker. Feeling like you were taken. 

at some point, though, you just have to suck it up and accept it and deal with the bad deal you got. 

you go through funks where you keep making mistakes and hope that you get it figured out sometime soon, but in the learning process you realize you could have done some things better but you're stuck with decisions you make. you have two choices...whine about it or just brush it off and hope can make the situation you put yourself work.

i know a lot of people in here have probably never experienced or dealt with failure much in their lives, but i have and i learned to just suck it up and try to make the best of the situation you've got yourself in because you realize that you're stuck with it for a while. doesn't do any good to keep harping over what you wish you had done better. you already know that. now it's just about moving forward from here and making the best of it and hoping you can make something of it.

it's the easiest thing in the world to look at where Bryce falls short...and yes, that was intentional. everyone knows that and all that is done is beating that horse laying on the ground. what takes some work is trying to see how it can work and if they have done and are doing things to help the situation get better. 

[Mother Grabber]

51 minutes ago, strato said:

It is sort of like, you go out and spend a lot for a fancy steak at a top spot and the service is slow and the steak isn’t cooked as you requested. It is a big letdown. 

The waiter still wants his tip, the government wants its tax, the joint wants its menu price.

edit: I mean, you know the feeling, sucker. Feeling like you were taken. 

based on the QBs drafted #1 comparison thread, he’s right where he should be. if your expectations were to have a rookie lead us to the playoffs without an OL and WR corps, maybe your expectations were a bit off.

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, strato said:

It is sort of like, you go out and spend a lot for a fancy steak at a top spot and the service is slow and the steak isn’t cooked as you requested. It is a big letdown. 

The waiter still wants his tip, the government wants its tax, the joint wants its menu price.

edit: I mean, you know the feeling, sucker. Feeling like you were taken. 

It's more like undercooked chicken being served. 'Just send it back, it'll be fine once they finish cooking it'. If they gave you that first and you eat the second then it's on you as much as them when you get sick or at the best massively disappointed. They obviously can't freaking cook.

Just enjoy being sick to disapointed, there is nothing you can do about it anyways. That is the logic you are seeing applied to Young.

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, Mother Grabber said:

based on the QBs drafted #1 comparison thread, he’s right where he should be. if your expectations were to have a rookie lead us to the playoffs without an OL and WR corps, maybe your expectations were a bit off.

And NOBODY felt this way....so now what? 

[CPF4LIFE]

51 minutes ago, Waldo said:

It's more like undercooked chicken being served. 'Just send it back, it'll be fine once they finish cooking it'. If they gave you that first and you eat the second then it's on you as much as them when you get sick or at the best massively disappointed. They obviously can't freaking cook.

Just enjoy being sick to disapointed, there is nothing you can do about it anyways. That is the logic you are seeing applied to Young.

We can be disappointed and also start scouting new qbs to replace young. That shouldnt be a issue and normally how it goes. 

[Mother Grabber]

9 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

And NOBODY felt this way....so now what? 

so now we wait to see if he shows improvement. it’s perfectly reasonable to expect significant improvement from year one to two. we’ll see. i hope so.

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

We can be disappointed and also start scouting new qbs to replace young. That shouldnt be a issue and normally how it goes. 

Yeah the trade forced an ugly year 2 we are seeing unfold but next year is a completey different situation.

[Mother Grabber]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

Yeah the trade forced an ugly year 2 we are seeing unfold but next year is a completey different situation.

what ugliness has unfolded this year?

[rayzor]

29 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

what ugliness has unfolded this year?

looks like people have already written the season off. they (think they) know there's nothing left but to fail. it's the easy option. 

[KSpan]

50 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

And NOBODY felt this way....so now what? 

There were absolutely people that felt this way, and the number was not small. I know because I (and others) spent last offseason trying to temper expectations and were called haters, told to "get on board or gtfo", etc. It was absolutely silly.

This year, expectations seem to be much more realistic.

[PghPanther]

Its more like a blind date with a girl that you were told was built like a brick sheet house and find out she wears a training bra. 

[BrianS]

21 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

It's not a good comparison though.

Teddy was ultra-hyper conservative and very rarely ever threw the ball past 10 yards ever. When he did it was accurate, but he rarely ever did it.

Bryce threw more intermediate passes (10-20 yards) in like 5 games than Teddy did all season for us.

Arm Strength is similar but that's about it.

Incorrect.  TB5 vs BY9 is a push at best.  They are effectively the same player.

Here is BY:

Here is TB (Carolina year):

So yea, BY had slightly more intended air yards per attempt (tried a touch more to go downfield).  However, he completed far less downfield than TB5 (fewer completed air yards per attempt).  Effectively, BY tried more, but TB was more effective.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

10 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Incorrect.  TB5 vs BY9 is a push at best.  They are effectively the same player.

Here is BY:

Here is TB (Carolina year):

So yea, BY had slightly more intended air yards per attempt (tried a touch more to go downfield).  However, he completed far less downfield than TB5 (fewer completed air yards per attempt).  Effectively, BY tried more, but TB was more effective.

 

That is it 100%.

Teddy would throw 25 passes, 23 of which were for under 10 yards then chuck two bombs, completing them both.

Bryce threw intermediately far more often, and missed damn near every one of his deep throws. Looking at the actual game by game pass charts you'll see much more intermediate targets from Bryce compared to Teddy.

While they average out to similar stats, they played a different style of QB.

This is not me saying Bryce was better, just that he is a different kind of QB than Teddy.