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Nate Tice article on Bryce Young

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38 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Say what now?

 

The difference is stark. Darnold attempts a lot of rudimentary throws and rarely throws people open, preferred to wait until a receiver was completely open, albeit he has a stronger arm downfield. Bryce has far better passing angles in the short and intermediate, including more zip and throwing into tight windows. The touchdown to Thielen against the Dolphins, Darnold couldn't make that throw if his life depended on it. Bryce also doesn't dance in the pocket or looked panicked which drove me crazy. 

Teddy too only attempted basic throws and couldn't throw downfield, but had much faster zip than Bryce on short throws so I'll give him that. It wouldn't take much improvement this year for Bryce to be the best QB we've had since 2017 like I said

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2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

I compared him to Bridgewater before the draft and I stand by the comparison

I think it's a reasonable comparison with the context that Teddy's career ultimately was greatly hindered by his brutal injury in MN. His first two seasons weren't the best (better than bryce's rookie year but not by much) but going into year 3 he appeared by all accounts to be taking the next step forward before destroying his leg (if I recall right, it was like a 2 year recovery). He honestly wasn't that bad for us/Denver considering that injury.

I think Bryce can be what Teddy could've been if not for that injury. Still not an elite franchise QB or even close to it, but potentially a Dalton, Palmer, Carr, etc. type of 2nd/3rd tier QB who can get you to the playoffs, but I don't really see him as having the upside to be a QB who gets you that SB win. That said, there have been a few teams that have shown you can win a SB without an elite QB -- Ravens with Flacco, Eagles with Foles. Bryce could be as good as either of those guys if the rest of the team around him is good enough.

Long story short, I don't really think he's the guy long term here. Maybe he becomes like KC Alex Smith for us and sticks around a while until we try to replace him but sadly I think the most likely outcome is that he doesn't start a game for us after this season.

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2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Bryce is gonna be fine. Anyone with half a brain knows last years was the worst situation for a rookie QB since David Carr. The fact that he didn’t throw 20+ ints is a miracle 

And he looked terrible individually too, just like the entire offense. Outside of the 2nd half of the GB game it he was entirely forgettable at best and downright crappy at worst. I am skeptical that he will ever more than an average-at-best NFL QB, but it's all speculation until they hit the field again for real.

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8 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Bryce is gonna be fine. Anyone with half a brain knows last years was the worst situation for a rookie QB since David Carr. The fact that he didn’t throw 20+ ints is a miracle 

He has a lot to work just to be an average starter and I dont see it happening. 

Lots of blame to go around for last season but Bryce was a big part of that, even in the GB game he was dropping too far back and allowing the pass rush to tee off on him. 

He cant use the same little quirks that he used in college to overcome his size in the NFL. 

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Blame Purdy (he's what Darnold could be if he had his potential unlocked; good but not HoF bound like 49er fans are already making him out to be) and the S2 for hyping up BY9. I didn't see anything special in his game in college that would warrant him being the #1 overall pick. That's just how I see Bama QBs are built. The team consists of dawgs around a non-dawg QB. I believe Dave and Dan see this and is looking to replicate the "formula." 

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3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

THE GUY WAS DRAFTED NUMBER 1 OVERALL.

And because of this you're going to hold onto highly unrealistic expectations of him. You'll never be satisfied.

At this point it doesn't matter where he was drafted. We got him. We aren't getting another Cam. We lucked out.

How often do QBs drafted in the top 3 or even at #1 turn into absolute studs?

It doesn't matter that they "should".

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58 minutes ago, rayzor said:

And because of this you're going to hold onto highly unrealistic expectations of him. You'll never be satisfied.

At this point it doesn't matter where he was drafted. We got him. We aren't getting another Cam. We lucked out.

How often do QBs drafted in the top 3 or even at #1 turn into absolute studs?

It doesn't matter that they "should".

I see the point of that is phuck trading up to one for a QB. Too risky. Too expensive.

Get good at figuring out what you need in a QB and find it elsewhere. 

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6 hours ago, rayzor said:

and get clicks. 

just find last year's news when you want attention and say the same damn thing every time. lazy man's job. 

are they saying anything new? no. why? because they either aren't smart enough or they are desperate for attention/clicks.

or they just like being the next in line to beat a dead horse.

which apparently is all we do around here so i guess they know their audience. 

 

 Tice’s sphere is not local, he just left the Athletic to help jumpstart this yahoo thing (probably a bad career move). I’d say it’s a pretty in depth piece coming from a pretty unbiased former college QB and son of a former HC. This isn’t just a rehash, although from within our fandome it is, but this type of stuff has not been widely looked at by the outsiders looking in like this. Redundant to us-yes, doesn’t make it a bad piece.

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8 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

 Tice’s sphere is not local, he just left the Athletic to help jumpstart this yahoo thing (probably a bad career move). I’d say it’s a pretty in depth piece coming from a pretty unbiased former college QB and son of a former HC. This isn’t just a rehash, although from within our fandome it is, but this type of stuff has not been widely looked at by the outsiders looking in like this. Redundant to us-yes, doesn’t make it a bad piece.

Also I would seriously doubt the guy found enjoyment in watching hours of 2023 Panthers offensive film lol. There's much easier things to watch and write about to get some clicks from NFL fan bases. Or maybe if it's not your team and you're getting paid to do it it's more of a frustrating study on why a football team failed from all angles

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8 hours ago, KSpan said:

And he looked terrible individually too, just like the entire offense. Outside of the 2nd half of the GB game it he was entirely forgettable at best and downright crappy at worst. I am skeptical that he will ever more than an average-at-best NFL QB, but it's all speculation until they hit the field again for real.

I don’t think he looked terrible, terrible was Baker in 22 with DJ and CmC where he got every other pass batted down. Or Darnold missing wide open receivers every game. For the most part I thought Bryce took advantage of what he was given, he didn’t go above in beyond like Cam did in some seasons but I’ve seen some bright spots.

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11 hours ago, rayzor said:

And because of this you're going to hold onto highly unrealistic expectations of him. You'll never be satisfied.

At this point it doesn't matter where he was drafted. We got him. We aren't getting another Cam. We lucked out.

How often do QBs drafted in the top 3 or even at #1 turn into absolute studs?

It doesn't matter that they "should".

The expectation of a number 1 overall QB is that he becomes a top 10 guy.

If he can't do that we need to start scouting QBs immediately. No sense in trying to build a team around a bottom 10 QB

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      By Luuuuuuuuuuke59 · Posted

      The bottom lines to me are that a) we played well enough to beat the best team in the league and b) Bryce Young is growing into a bridge QB role (his ceiling) for us. As much as I don't want BY around after the season, it seems DC can still build the O with a game manager at QB for now. Best case scanario, we can build the D through the draft this year and take a QB we have conviction outside the 1st this or next draft. If BY keeps improving, we are going to win a couple more games this year.
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      This KC team isn't the juggernaut it once was.  How many one score games have they won this season?  How many of those one score wins would probably have been loses if Mahomes wasn't the QB?  Their secondary is vulnerable and it was obvious today.  Grandpa Thielen was able to get open at will all game long. Bryce played well, but thinking this is the exact same KC defense Young was able to move the ball against as last year isn't going to compute.  Last year's KC defense was #2 overall.  They have regressed. I've said it before, Bryce can move the ball before the red zone, but once there, he struggles.  He is not a threat with his legs and the passing windows get much tighter.  He's not turning the ball over, so that is a great place to start and build upon.  I still question much better he can get.  Beyond a game manager?  I highly doubt it.
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