Is Charlotte the worst sports city right now?

[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You do know the biggest military base in the US is located just an hour from Raleigh in Fort Bragg right?

Military families are family oriented. A hour drive to games is nothing compared to traveling 3 hours to Charlotte.

 

Cmon man there is nothing happening in Western Carolina other than Charlotte. I only go west for outdoor activities and some nature/mountain views.

Nfl leaders don't look at the population of just the city itself.  Charlotte has three of the top fifty combined statistical areas within a 1 to 1.5 hour drive.  Charlotte, Greensboro/WS/High Point, and Greenville Spartanburg.  Those three statistical areas include nearly 7 million people.  Other than Raleigh, the only one in the top fifty within an hour and half of raleigh is Greensboro.  So only about 4-5 million people.  Charlotte has many more people to draw from.  

Also, many of the surrounding communities for Raleigh are not native born.  If memory serves, many still refer to Cary as Containment area for relocated Yankees.  One of the reasons the Canes do so well is a significant portion of the population are people who moved from Northern Areas.  Would that population translate into support for a NFL team?  Hard to say, but I see a tremendous amount of Giants/Jets jerseys in the triangle when I forced to endure the crazy traffic on 40/85.  

Edited June 16 by Davidson Deac II

[ProcessBlue2]

Can revisit when/if Charlotte gets an MLB team. It has been discussed lately and I think Charlotte and Nashville are supposedly high on the list. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

2 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Nfl leaders don't look at the population of just the city itself.  Charlotte has three of the top fifty combined statistical areas within a 1 to 1.5 hour drive.  Charlotte, Greensboro/WS/High Point, and Greenville Spartanburg.  Those three statistical areas include nearly 7 million people.  Other than Raleigh, the only one in the top fifty within an hour and half of raleigh is Greensboro.  So only about 4-5 million people.  Charlotte has many more people to draw from.  

Also, many of the surrounding communities for Raleigh are not native born.  If memory serves, many still refer to Cary as Containment area for relocated Yankees.  One of the reasons the Canes do so well is a significant portion of the population are people who moved from Northern Areas.  Would that population translate into support for a NFL team?  Hard to say, but I see a tremendous amount of Giants/Jets jerseys in the triangle when I forced to endure the crazy traffic on 40/85.  

Population has nothing to do with fans being loud at games. The fact Charlotte has more people just shows you why the games are 50/50. Raleigh is smaller and has a more passionate fanbase. The city is together. Charlotte doesn't have that vibe.

Charlotte will continue to suck at attendance because not many people really care about their local team. It's just not a sports city imo.

[strato]

 This is just stupid. If Tepper owned the team and they were in your backyard it wouldn’t be any different after 6 losing seasons. People would be pissed and it just wouldn’t be any different. 

This malaise is Tepper generated. 

Edited June 17 by strato

[trueblue]

I will say this- the drugs in Raleigh must be off the charts good. Keep smoking what ever it is you are on my dude, its making the world a weird and fun place for you.. 

[djp14]

18 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Go to a Canes game and you will understand this.

I went to a Canes game 6-7 years ago. It was half empty.

Amazing what good ownership and winning can do.

[RumHam]

Yes.

[CRA]

12 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Population has nothing to do with fans being loud at games. The fact Charlotte has more people just shows you why the games are 50/50. Raleigh is smaller and has a more passionate fanbase. The city is together. Charlotte doesn't have that vibe.

Charlotte will continue to suck at attendance because not many people really care about their local team. It's just not a sports city imo.

generally speaking, to be committed to bad teams......you need time.  Born into it. Generations. I mean, that's why people support the Jets, or Cubs or whoever that can suck for a decade.  Panthers still lack the time to have a "proper fanbase".  40 year olds still grew up on different teams because they didn't exist. 

so the Charlotte teams are largely in the you have to be good for people to care window.  One of the reasons Raleigh is deemed a passionate fanbase is the Hurricanes actually had early success and are currently succesful.  In the postseason year 2 and in the Stanley Cup by year 5.  Then won it a couple years after that.  I mean, that's actually beyond early success.  That was great success.   And if you look more recently, they have had 6 straight playoff seasons. 

[Ricky Prickles]

Philadelphia has fans who put batteries in snow balls then throw them at opposing players and fans. Now that is a poo hole sports city. Not to mention an entire downtown area that looks like a war zone where people walk the streets like zombies due to all the fentanyl being taken. No sports city gets worse than that. Yeah, their football team may have performed better in recent years but that city and many of their fans SUCK something awful!

[3838]

9 hours ago, CRA said:

generally speaking, to be committed to bad teams......you need time.  Born into it. Generations. I mean, that's why people support the Jets, or Cubs or whoever that can suck for a decade.  Panthers still lack the time to have a "proper fanbase".  40 year olds still grew up on different teams because they didn't exist. 

so the Charlotte teams are largely in the you have to be good for people to care window.  One of the reasons Raleigh is deemed a passionate fanbase is the Hurricanes actually had early success and are currently succesful.  In the postseason year 2 and in the Stanley Cup by year 5.  Then won it a couple years after that.  I mean, that's actually beyond early success.  That was great success.   And if you look more recently, they have had 6 straight playoff seasons. 

"Panthers still lack the time to have a proper fanbase"....Uh...29 years and two SB appearances says... Wrong.

[csx]

DC is worse 

[strato]

52 minutes ago, 3838 said:

"Panthers still lack the time to have a proper fanbase"....Uh...29 years and two SB appearances says... Wrong.

Still fighting the remnants of the old timers who were normally either Redskins, Cowboys, or Falcons from when the Carolinas were NFL No Man’s Land.

Those are deep roots. I was a Johnny U fan when I was a kid. If Irsay hadn’t left Baltimore like he did I’d have had an issue when the Panthers came to life. 

I actually remember JR in his playing days with the Colts, fwiw btw snafu.

And all the transplants make it tougher too 

Edited June 18 by strato

[Shotgun]

On 6/13/2024 at 10:28 PM, Davidson Deac II said:

Worst Sports town is Dallas.

Why?  Because its full of Cowboy fans.  No other reason needed.  

Charlotte is full of them too though 

[CRA]

19 hours ago, 3838 said:

"Panthers still lack the time to have a proper fanbase"....Uh...29 years and two SB appearances says... Wrong.

I mean, 40 year olds that grew up on other teams.....simply aren't the same as people that were passed down a team for generations in their family.  When I was kid, my favorite player was Darrell Greene.  Because my team was the Skins.  If the Panthers suck, I can just watch the NFL at large.  It is what it is.  I adopted the Panthers because they were the local team. 

The Panthers and the Browns simply aren't going to have the same fanbases right now.  Shouldn't be expected.  And most of the real purchasing power is with people who didn't grow up with the Panthers.  The money isn't with a 19 year olds. 

and if the Hurricanes were less successful, people wouldn't be hyping the Raleigh fanbase as much.  But I can concede that is slightly different, as hockey isn't big in the south so most in the area haven't switched over from other teams.  It's their introduction to the sport.  Which makes the Hurricanes a little different than other franchises.  They probably compare better with Charlotte FC IMO.  If you gave Raleigh a random MLB team that sucked......I don't that folks could get away with claiming Raliegh fans are "built different" than Charlotte folks.