REPORT: RB Jonathon Brooks (knee) may not be ready for the start of training camp.

[Waldo]

11 hours ago, TD alt said:

I mean, it's easy to discount the prevailing thought that if healthy Brooks was probably going to go in the first round. We took a chance, only inasmuch as he had an Injury, but with his prognosis judged to be pretty positive, we may have acquired a first round talent---thay is, a game-changing three-down back in the second round. As questionable as our talent is at the position, I have no issue with it. We aren't developing into a powerhouse in one season, so we can afford to take a chance.

The only way he should have gone in the 1st is because it was such a weak RB class and not because he woukd have been such a great 1st round pick. Game changing 3 down back?

 

11 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I mean it's not like he was a knockout 1st round prospect before the injury, it's just an undervalued position and a week class on top of that. Texas O-line makes it easy for RB's and I concur with these negatives from the Bleacher Report draft profile

On the flip side, Brooks is not a strong runner. He is on the lighter side at 207 pounds, and it shows. Brooks struggles to run through contact at the line of scrimmage, and he regularly goes down on first contact at the second level. He rarely pushes piles or finds extra yards.

Brooks isn't a decisive or commanding runner, either. He often gets himself in trouble at the line of scrimmage. Brooks is not the type of runner who is okay with plunging ahead into a car wreck for three yards, even when that's the only option available. He leaves yards on the field as a result.

Brooks can be a useful committee back in the NFL with a chance to develop into something more. He has enough quickness and speed to be a weapon. Brooks isn't built like a true lead back, though, and he does not yet have the strength or decisiveness as a runner for that role.

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GRADE: 7.0 (High-Level Backup/Potential Starter — 3rd Round)

 

It was a luxury pick and is more about next year then someone who could have helped this year at one of many positions of need. This entire draft showed more poor values and ignored concerns so SSDD.

Yes he has upside but again it's a RB. After trading a beast for a 2nd and change it makes it look even more hilarious of a miss swing on a team desperate to add talent on the field and not in the imaginations of the people in charge. Also when was the last time the Panthers drafted a project that lived up to their ceiling on this team? And the first 3 picks in this draft were projects which would be exciting on a playoff team but not a 2 win team IMO.

[mrcompletely11]

25 minutes ago, Waldo said:

The only way he should have gone in the 1st is because it was such a weak RB class and not because he woukd have been such a great 1st round pick. Game changing 3 down back?

 

It was a luxury pick and is more about next year then someone who could have helped this year at one of many positions of need. This entire draft showed more poor values and ignored concerns so SSDD.

Yes he has upside but again it's a RB. After trading a beast for a 2nd and change it makes it look even more hilarious of a miss swing on a team desperate to add talent on the field and not in the imaginations of the people in charge. Also when was the last time the Panthers drafted a project that lived up to their ceiling on this team? And the first 3 picks in this draft were projects which would be exciting on a playoff team but not a 2 win team IMO.

The panthers have to be on the working theory that Brooks deal is for 4 years.  There is no way Morgan should be planning to give him another deal when the time comes.  Free agent RB and 2nd year deals have never worked for the panthers.  Like ever.  Morgan has to know this.  So under that premise we are blowing one year on brooks because he will not be 100% and then hoping to get 3 good years from him from there assuming he can get healthy.  Thats just not a gamble a team like the panthers can make especially what they gave up for him.  Its just not.  You could have gotten a rb that wasnt hurt in the 3rd or 4rth and be more productive this year then brooks.

[RumHam]

17 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Panthers coach Dave Canales said rookie RB Jonathon Brooks (knee) may not be ready for the start of training camp.

Canales also said Brooks has a ways to go before he is ready and the team will ease him into training camp. Brooks suffered a torn ACL late in his final season at Texas and is still recovering from the injury. Previous reports were optimistic that Brooks would be cleared by training camp, but Canales and the Panthers are now pumping the breaks. Chuba Hubbard and Miles Sanders are the next men up on Carolina’s depth chart. Hubbard proved far more effective than Sanders last year and would likely get the first crack at the starting gig if Brooks misses any time.

if this author thought that Brooks was the day 1 starter when healthy they need a new job

[Khyber53]

17 hours ago, t96 said:

uhh our roster and team expectations are exactly at a point where we can afford to sit/develop players. We need to build out a core and add talented players for the future period, nobody is expecting us to compete/contend this year. Teams solidly in their window (like the Chiefs, Bills, etc.) are ones who can't afford to use high picks or cap space on players who won't contribute immediately. 

I'd argue the main reason the Chiefs went back to back was their ability to draft immediate impact players the last 2 years. As a team squarely in the beginning of a rebuild we don't care about immediate impact, just starting to get some damn impact players at all. If they take a few years to develop so be it, we're not losing anything right now.

Well said and well thought. 

[Waldo]

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The panthers have to be on the working theory that Brooks deal is for 4 years.  There is no way Morgan should be planning to give him another deal when the time comes.  Free agent RB and 2nd year deals have never worked for the panthers.  Like ever.  Morgan has to know this.  So under that premise we are blowing one year on brooks because he will not be 100% and then hoping to get 3 good years from him from there assuming he can get healthy.  Thats just not a gamble a team like the panthers can make especially what they gave up for him.  Its just not.  You could have gotten a rb that wasnt hurt in the 3rd or 4rth and be more productive this year then brooks.

With how this offseason unfolded it looks like it will be the next people in charge's problem.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Ricky Prickles said:

This person consistently shows a fully functional brain and is able to use it quite frequently without grabbing his pitchfork and rushing the castle at midnight angrily with ever shred of news that is not exactly what we hope for.

I get the sentiment. Our franchise is literally in shambles and there is really next to no hope of any improvement. As our former coach loved to say, it is what it is.

I hope that he doesn't end up a bust because we really can't afford to keep reaching on picks like we did with Brooks and then whiffing. 

I wouldn't expect much, if any, impact from Brooks in 2024. Even if the ACL is healed, it isn't abnormal for players to take several weeks or months even after they are 100% to fully "trust" their knee again. 

[NorthTryon]

18 hours ago, t96 said:

uhh our roster and team expectations are exactly at a point where we can afford to sit/develop players. We need to build out a core and add talented players for the future period, nobody is expecting us to compete/contend this year. Teams solidly in their window (like the Chiefs, Bills, etc.) are ones who can't afford to use high picks or cap space on players who won't contribute immediately. 

I'd argue the main reason the Chiefs went back to back was their ability to draft immediate impact players the last 2 years. As a team squarely in the beginning of a rebuild we don't care about immediate impact, just starting to get some damn impact players at all. If they take a few years to develop so be it, we're not losing anything right now.

Posters looking for something negative to say aren't going to understand this. The thing that has me willing to be somewhat positive and hopeful for the future is what Dan Morgan said about drafting talent again. We have just been drafting guys that aren't talented period and it has showed watching guys like Chuba bang their head against the ceiling of their talent. He is the best of the Rhule era. I remember when our worst defensive lineman was Al Wallace! We have been devoid of talent for years and Morgan got me excited saying he wants to draft Stewarts, Kuechlys, generational talent. So if it takes drafting a future all-pro back a year early with an injury and waiting on him to get healthy, why would you whine about it? Oh that's right, these guys whine about everything. This kid will be a stud and the LB with bone on bone conditions everybody wanted will be out of the league like Van der Esch or whatever his name is soon enough. 

[Johnstonny]

7 hours ago, RJK said:

It’s not even really about Brooks, maybe he’ll be good. There were better players that fit bigger needs available. Just more roster and draft mismanagement which points to nothing changing anytime soon. 

Team hasn't even taken a snap this year and we are already talking about wait till next year. This was a luxury pick that I don't think is going to pan out unless hes a reincarnation of Thomas Davis. The NFL breaks players why draft one already broke...

[NorthTryon]

People keep saying its just a RB, but we see what happens when even the Chiefs can't run the ball. Just because the talking heads say RB is a throw away position, if you know football you know they are extremely important in today's NFL. They are still needed and one dimensional teams that can only pass with zero running threat get schemed into losses. Christian just got a huge two year extension and the 9ers are the toast of the NFC! But yeah, drafting impact running backs are for dinosaur GMs. Insert face palm emoticon. We needed a running back for the future and got the best one in the draft according to every analyst. Only the Huddle can think of a thousand posts to make that the worst thing ever. 

[Mistuh Jones]

2 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

People keep saying its just a RB, but we see what happens when even the Chiefs can't run the ball. Just because the talking heads say RB is a throw away position, if you know football you know they are extremely important in today's NFL. They are still needed and one dimensional teams that can only pass with zero running threat get schemed into losses. Christian just got a huge two year extension and the 9ers are the toast of the NFC! But yeah, drafting impact running backs are for dinosaur GMs. Insert face palm emoticon. We needed a running back for the future and got the best one in the draft according to every analyst. Only the Huddle can think of a thousand posts to make that the worst thing ever. 

THIS OMFG 

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

People keep saying its just a RB, but we see what happens when even the Chiefs can't run the ball. Just because the talking heads say RB is a throw away position, if you know football you know they are extremely important in today's NFL. They are still needed and one dimensional teams that can only pass with zero running threat get schemed into losses. Christian just got a huge two year extension and the 9ers are the toast of the NFC! But yeah, drafting impact running backs are for dinosaur GMs. Insert face palm emoticon. We needed a running back for the future and got the best one in the draft according to every analyst. Only the Huddle can think of a thousand posts to make that the worst thing ever. 

Can't be impactful if he can't get on the field. Even if he did he would be # 3 this year anyways. They needed to be focusing on the now and worry about the future if they want to keep their jobs, it's a luxury no one in that house can afford except the owners. The last HC didn't make it 1 season and no one has lasted more than 3 since Tepper showed up doing very similar stuff. But please go on like the people criticizing this isn't based in recent facts. Also comparing this guy to CMC is delusive AF. CMC could block and catch as a healthy (played 16 and started 10) rookie. 

I get being tired of the criticism and anger that is touching every angle of the organization at this point but it's as surprising as this guy not being ready yet...which is the base of the criticism given the RB room he isn't ready to help to improve much right now is he?

 

[Panthers Fan 69]

Hahahahahahahaha that what the panthers do!!’

[kungfoodude]

56 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

Team hasn't even taken a snap this year and we are already talking about wait till next year. This was a luxury pick that I don't think is going to pan out unless hes a reincarnation of Thomas Davis. The NFL breaks players why draft one already broke...

I was a luxury pick because IMO because it was reaching for a position at a time that just wasn't necessary. I am all for BPA but I don't believe Brooks will be significantly better than some of the other guys in the 3rd to 4th round. Not enough to warrant passing on better players of higher positional value. That's not even touching the roster needs specifically.

That was always my problem with the pick. It's, once again, the team projecting that they just know better than everyone else when that has so very rarely proven to be the case in the last few years.

[Luciu5]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats just not a gamble a team like the panthers can make especially what they gave up for him.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A GAMBLE.

Should we stop drafting players?