Another, Another Bryce Breakdown

[Ricky Spanish]

From the guys who had CJ Stroud as their #1 QB in the draft last year:

 

[Ricky Spanish]

Very fair assessment imo. He threw with anticipation quite often and delivered some strikes but his mechanics and footwork made his already small frame a bigger issue in terms of throwing with power.

Also, seeing these breakdowns makes me realize why we moved on from Bozeman so quickly. Dude could not pass block.

[Panthercougar68]

I never noticed the arm before the hip drive before until this video (hurrr durrr I did huddler stfu) but it makes sense because all those examples were rushed throws so hopefully a better oline helps.

[Jackie Lee]

Eh so 10 minutes of game manager highlights and a couple minutes of the truth. His arm strength can't get it done unless he gets his feet set, but he's too short to set his feet with a rusher in his face so..I guess those $150M guards better pay off. I actually do like this guys videos but I disagree about the arm strength, lots of guys could have gotten the ball where it needed to be off platform that Bryce just lobs/underthrows/throws behind in those situations

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Eh so 10 minutes of game manager highlights and a couple minutes of the truth. His arm strength can't get it done unless he gets his feet set, but he's too short to set his feet with a rusher in his face so..I guess those $150M guards better pay off. I actually do like this guys videos but I disagree about the arm strength, lots of guys could have gotten the ball where it needed to be off platform that Bryce just lobs/underthrows/throws behind in those situations

I mean, Cam had the arm strength to make those throws without his feet set but it also was one of the factors that led to his arm getting destroyed over time. No QB needs to be making those off platform throws or without their feet being set often, because they are lower percentage throws(usually) and they are more difficult on your body overall.

Bryce's physical limitations weren't a complete unknown. He is a moderately below average NFL arm even if his feet are set and he has time. That's not what will solely keep him from being successful. It definitely is a career limiting factor, however.

[Jackie Lee]

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, Cam had the arm strength to make those throws without his feet set but it also was one of the factors that led to his arm getting destroyed over time. No QB needs to be making those off platform throws or without their feet being set often, because they are lower percentage throws(usually) and they are more difficult on your body overall.

Bryce's physical limitations weren't a complete unknown. He is a moderately below average NFL arm even if his feet are set and he has time. That's not what will solely keep him from being successful. It definitely is a career limiting factor, however.

I mean the interception injury he ran down that KB gave up on and the TJ Watt shoulder hit basically did Cam in. He could probably still launch a better 30 yarder off platform than BY

[Mother Grabber]

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

I mean the interception injury he ran down that KB gave up on and the TJ Watt shoulder hit basically did Cam in. He could probably still launch a better 30 yarder off platform than BY

three feet over the receivers head

[L-TownCat]

2 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

three feet over the receivers head

I’m not much for Cam slander, but that was his worst drawback.  People tend to forget just how frustrating that was.

[Mother Grabber]

Just now, L-TownCat said:

I’m not much for Cam slander, but that was his worst drawback.  People tend to forget just how frustrating that was.

i had ptsd after a few years. every time he’d throw i’d turn my head and grit my teeth afraid to watch.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

Insightful and reinforces the narrative which in my mind are based on fact.

1. BY has talent and there is legitimate reason to believe he has potential to play at this level and be successful although I’m not sure what successful means just yet. Main factors contributing to the uncertainty are:

2.  The OL and receivers sucked and didn’t help last year.

 3.  Footwork and mechanics need to drastically improve alas it greatly highlights his limiting factors which are size and arm strength.  

#2 was addressed on paper (hundreds of millions pieces of paper).  Better line and protection. Better receivers.  

#3 is being worked on based on Canales talking points and coaching. 
 

We should know what he is capable of and what his ceiling is this season.  I hope for the best but I am prepared for the worst. 

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I mean the interception injury he ran down that KB gave up on and the TJ Watt shoulder hit basically did Cam in. He could probably still launch a better 30 yarder off platform than BY

Yes but he had previous shoulder issues. That was the very large nail in that coffin.

Sadly, I am not sure Cam's arm is much stronger than Bryce. We remember him in New England and his return here. The decline was really far. 

Given how recent his league MVP and SB appearance was to his career ending(effectively) injury, he will go down as one of the biggest "what could have been" stories of this era.

Very, very sad.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, L-TownCat said:

I’m not much for Cam slander, but that was his worst drawback.  People tend to forget just how frustrating that was.

And quite a bit of that was him never really tightening up his throwing mechanics until his arm was already shot. 

He said he bought too much into that Superman mentality on his podcast. I think that was another element of that. His arm was so fuging strong that he just never really thought he needed to focus on tightening up that aspect of his game, IMO. Well, literally not until his arm had already been destroyed.

[kungfoodude]

45 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Insightful and reinforces the narrative which in my mind are based on fact.

1. BY has talent and there is legitimate reason to believe he has potential to play at this level and be successful although I’m not sure what successful means just yet. Main factors contributing to the uncertainty are:

2.  The OL and receivers sucked and didn’t help last year.

 3.  Footwork and mechanics need to drastically improve alas it greatly highlights his limiting factors which are size and arm strength.  

#2 was addressed on paper (hundreds of millions pieces of paper).  Better line and protection. Better receivers.  

#3 is being worked on based on Canales talking points and coaching. 
 

We should know what he is capable of and what his ceiling is this season.  I hope for the best but I am prepared for the worst. 

The thing is, he was pitched as a lower risk, lower ceiling QB that was basically ready to play out of the gate. Turns out, the higher risk, higher ceiling guy in Stroud was the actual ready to play QB from that draft.

I realize that there is no reasonable scenario where we make that trade and sit Bryce Young but the reality is, he would have benefited perhaps the most from largely being a 2nd or 3rd string QB for 2-3 seasons to work on all his flaws and get adjusted to the NFL level.

I can't say he'd be an elite QB at the end of that, but I don't think he would be trending bust as rapidly as he currently is.

[NAS]

6 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Eh so 10 minutes of game manager highlights and a couple minutes of the truth. His arm strength can't get it done unless he gets his feet set, but he's too short to set his feet with a rusher in his face so..I guess those $150M guards better pay off. I actually do like this guys videos but I disagree about the arm strength, lots of guys could have gotten the ball where it needed to be off platform that Bryce just lobs/underthrows/throws behind in those situations

Arm elasticity and arm strength are not the same thing.  There are some who have great arm strength but can't deliver off platform throws, sidearm, etc,  due to lack of elasticity.  I am concerned about Bryce's arm strength to deliver the ball when the anticipation throws aren't there and you simply need to fire a ball into a tight window.  Not sure that can ever be part of this game.  He does have good arm elasticity which is what made him special in college, throwing the ball on the move, that should serve him well in the NFL especially when he gets outside of the pocket.  My biggest concern is standing in the pocket, pressure in the face and not being able to set his feet will affect him more than others due to his height and arm strength.