Another Bryce breakdown

[Jackie Lee]

So far seems pretty fair, blame all around

 

[Manna]

yeah, the only thing Bryce proved to me last season was his resiliency and durability. 

[mrcompletely11]

5 hours ago, Manna said:

yeah, the only thing Bryce proved to me last season was his resiliency and durability. 

being durable is more about luck IMO then anything, he was tough as nails for sure but he cannot (and no qb in the nfl) can keep taking those amount of shots and not pay a price for it somewhere down the line

 

 

[rayzor]

17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

being durable is more about luck IMO then anything, he was tough as nails for sure but he cannot (and no qb in the nfl) can keep taking those amount of shots and not pay a price for it somewhere down the line

hopefully OL upgrade and scheme change will limit the number of times he's thrown around like a ragdoll.

[TLGPanthersFan]

22 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

being durable is more about luck IMO then anything, he was tough as nails for sure but he cannot (and no qb in the nfl) can keep taking those amount of shots and not pay a price for it somewhere down the line

 

 

Definitely seemed to be slower getting up as the season went on and we had that one injury scare that he came back that game from. 
Like you said, body can only take so much. 

[Ricky Spanish]

Damn. What can happen in a year:

[rayzor]

3 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Damn. What can happen in a year:

feeling uneasy or just plain bad about the upcoming season is entirely justifiable after that ride last year. i feel hopeful, but i feel like i have the forces of the universe rising up against me in that. i'm hoping that we've run though our batch of bad coaching for a long time. 

things have to get better sometime, right? 

[WhoKnows]

11 minutes ago, rayzor said:

feeling uneasy or just plain bad about the upcoming season is entirely justifiable after that ride last year. i feel hopeful, but i feel like i have the forces of the universe rising up against me in that. i'm hoping that we've run though our batch of bad coaching for a long time. 

things have to get better sometime, right? 

They do, just when. I hate to be pessimistic but it’s all about the QB. I can’t recall a QB situation where a bad QB (not bad stats, but looking like they don’t belong) turned a team around. Peyton Manning had a ridiculous amount of interceptions but he didn’t show his future limitations. Usually, it was picking another QB in the draft.

Unfortunately, IMHO, we won’t be really better until we get our Cam v2, someone who can carry the team and not win only if we have a stud lineup around him. That’s why I’m more interested in how the rest of the draft picks do to see if we can actually solve holes like the ones we created losing Olsen, CMC, Moore, Turner/Kalil/Norwell, etc. I want to actually be one QB away not Fitterer’s definition of one player away.

[Jackie Lee]

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Damn. What can happen in a year:

lol the time lapse version of Panthers breakdowns

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

They do, just when. I hate to be pessimistic but it’s all about the QB. I can’t recall a QB situation where a bad QB (not bad stats, but looking like they don’t belong) turned a team around. Peyton Manning had a ridiculous amount of interceptions but he didn’t show his future limitations. Usually, it was picking another QB in the draft.

Unfortunately, IMHO, we won’t be really better until we get our Cam v2, someone who can carry the team and not win only if we have a stud lineup around him. That’s why I’m more interested in how the rest of the draft picks do to see if we can actually solve holes like the ones we created losing Olsen, CMC, Moore, Turner/Kalil/Norwell, etc. I want to actually be one QB away not Fitterer’s definition of one player away.

the problem is if we're waiting for Cam v2, we're going to be waiting decades longer. 

our best hope is that bryce is better than we all think he is and that canales is able to work some serious magic with him and the scheme to help him live up anywhere close to the potential we thought he had.

he's a smart kid. we just have to be able to have a situation that allows him to use his smarts. 

the truth with cam was that een he had to have a system tailored for his skillset coming into the league. the difference between him and luck (which was the debate in '09 when we thought luck was an option) was that with luck, he could be placed in any offense and it would work...hence the higher floor he had  than cam. cam, though, needed an offense that was built around him to reach his potential. he could have done alright in a more pro-style offense, but to reach his ceiling (which was seen by a lot of people as being higher than luck).

i don't think having to have an offense tailored around what you can and can't do well is a problem for people who can develop around them...after they've truly identified what those can and can't items are.

we didn't have that last year. i think we have that this year.

we want a guy who can carry a team on his back, but those kind of guys are very rare. we don't need to spend our time trying  find that guy, because even when you have them there's no guarantee that they will be enough. 

championships are won, quite often, by teams who learn to compensate for less than the greatest QB play. you have a great defense and can protect the ball while wearing out the other defense and you've got a chance. 

we don't need Bryce to be superman (despite where we drafted him and what we paid to get him). we just need him to be able to run (manage) a good offense. 

[KSpan]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

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we want a guy who can carry a team on his back, but those kind of guys are very rare. we don't need to spend our time trying  find that guy, because even when you have them there's no guarantee that they will be enough. 

championships are won, quite often, by teams who learn to compensate for less than the greatest QB play. you have a great defense and can protect the ball while wearing out the other defense and you've got a chance. 

we don't need Bryce to be superman (despite where we drafted him and what we paid to get him). we just need him to be able to run (manage) a good offense. 

Gonna have to strongly disagree with you here. Here are the last 20 Super Bowls - only two of them IMO had QB that didn't play like Superman to get them there/win the game/both, and that was Peyton in 2015 and Ben in 2005. Even then they both had that ability, Peyton was just old and Ben young.

That said, there were flashes in the pan like Foles in 2017 and (to a lesser degree) Flacco in 2012. But even counting that, it's 4/20. 20% odds aren't good enough and Bryce was absolutely drafted at #1 to be a guy that elevates an entire team and plays like Superman. If he can't do that then it's a failed pick, full stop. Being a poor man's Teddy doesn't cut it for a #1 overall and that's true for any team, not just Carolina.

[rayzor]

3 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Gonna have to strongly disagree with you here. Here are the last 20 Super Bowls - only two of them IMO had QB that didn't play like Superman to get them there/win the game/both, and that was Peyton in 2015 and Ben in 2005. Even then they both had that ability, Peyton was just old and Ben young.

That said, there were flashes in the pan like Foles in 2017 and (to a lesser degree) Flacco in 2012. But even counting that, it's 4/20. 20% odds aren't good enough and Bryce was absolutely drafted at #1 to be a guy that elevates an entire team and plays like Superman. If he can't do that then it's a failed pick, full stop. Being a poor man's Teddy doesn't cut it for a #1 overall and that's true for any team, not just Carolina.

then we're stuck. 

tbh, at this point i would settle for just making it interesting. forget winning a superbowl for now. just get a team that can win games consistently and hope that it's enough to get to the big dance. 

we want superman. we aren't getting superman. we had him and we blew our chance with him. 

find a way make it work and hope that we can with this little guy and quit wishing our lives away for the second coming of superman. it just ain't happening.

[ForJimmy]

18 minutes ago, rayzor said:

then we're stuck. 

tbh, at this point i would settle for just making it interesting. forget winning a superbowl for now. just get a team that can win games consistently and hope that it's enough to get to the big dance. 

we want superman. we aren't getting superman. we had him and we blew our chance with him. 

find a way make it work and hope that we can with this little guy and quit wishing our lives away for the second coming of superman. it just ain't happening.

We just have to build a solid roster no matter what. Keep building our roster and either Bryce will show us something or we will find another QB. The Super Bowl thing is always going to be skewed because Brady and Mahomes won half of them. Outside of that you have the two mentioned with Peyton and Ben, then you have Nick Foles with the Eagles (loaded roster), a couple of Eli playing clutch with strong defenses putting up 17 points and 21 points. The is no reason that can’t be our future as long and we keep making this roster better each year starting now. Hopefully Morgan and Co can do this. 

[KSpan]

40 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

We just have to build a solid roster no matter what. Keep building our roster and either Bryce will show us something or we will find another QB. The Super Bowl thing is always going to be skewed because Brady and Mahomes won half of them. Outside of that you have the two mentioned with Peyton and Ben, then you have Nick Foles with the Eagles (loaded roster), a couple of Eli playing clutch with strong defenses putting up 17 points and 21 points. The is no reason that can’t be our future as long and we keep making this roster better each year starting now. Hopefully Morgan and Co can do this. 

It's not skewed though, that's just the result of the best QBs being on quality teams resulting in Super Bowls. Those guys are just that good and it's the bar that other QBs and teams have to meet or at least approach in order to compete. That's just how the NFL is these days.

Having a dynasty would be great but even just being able to have the stars align and the team perform at an elite level like 2015 would be amazing. Unfortunately though, Cam absolutely played like Superman in elevating that offense to where it was, further supporting the requirement.