Albert Breer talks about Dave Canales

[JawnyBlaze]

33 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We are probably at least 6-8 years away from being able to have a solid core again, probably more. It's going to take 5-6 better than average drafts and more good offseasons than not.

Right now our core is almost non-existent. It's basically Derrick Brown and Moton. The latter of which will likely never see the new core unless he opts to play into his late 30's.

I don't think our fans realize how long it is likely to be before we are able to rebuild a quality roster and do it for long term success. 

That’s ridiculous. No team is ever more than 2-3 years max.  

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

That’s ridiculous. No team is ever more than 2-3 years max.  

That's assuming 2-3 years of HR draft after HR draft. That's not really a realistic goal for us, IMO. Possible but not realistic.

[rayzor]

I think people are underestimating the talent we've gotten in our team now. Not saying we're great, but I think we're going to be a lot better than people think.

We're not that far away from being a solid playoff team.

Mock, poo, and/or disagree all you want, buy I don't think we're as bad now as we were last year. I think the coaching situation was the thing that sunk us. Not having such a clusterfug of a coaching situation cost us 5-6 games.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

I think people are underestimating the talent we've gotten in our team now. Not saying we're great, but I think we're going to be a lot better than people think.

We're not that far away from being a solid playoff team.

Mock, poo, and/or disagree all you want, buy I don't think we're as bad now as we were last year. I think the coaching situation was the thing that sunk us. Not having such a clusterfug of a coaching situation cost us 5-6 games.

I think we are very far away from that, unfortunately. I also think our roster is far worse than most realize. It's largely unproven or underperforming young players or veteran journeymen. Our core is the smallest it has been in probably 15 or more years.

The truth is, our talent pool has been shrinking rapidly since Ron left. This is the result of Gettleman's poor drafting in his latter years, Hurney's poor overall drafting and then the absolutely disasterous Rhule/Fitterer era. All the while, the deep talent pool we had was either retiring or leaving. 

I mean, what drafted talent do we have that would even start on a third of the NFL teams? Just basically Brown and Moton. Horn really doesn't count because, well....he is never healthy enough to start anyway. 

That's fuging terrible. If not the worst in the NFL, very close to it.

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

I think people are underestimating the talent we've gotten in our team now. Not saying we're great, but I think we're going to be a lot better than people think.

We're not that far away from being a solid playoff team.

Mock, poo, and/or disagree all you want, buy I don't think we're as bad now as we were last year. I think the coaching situation was the thing that sunk us. Not having such a clusterfug of a coaching situation cost us 5-6 games.

everyone has their opinion for sure but I strongly disagree with this for so many reasons, we are not a talented team at all and if we are looking down the road to next year and beyond it gets even uglier considering this is shaq, dj, theilen, probably moton last year.  

 

we have absolutely no depth anywhere on the roster and cobble that with a qb going into the season playing for his job its a dismal state of affairs

Edited June 8 by mrcompletely11

[rayzor]

57 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

everyone has their opinion for sure but I strongly disagree with this for so many reasons, we are not a talented team at all and if we are looking down the road to next year and beyond it gets even uglier considering this is shaq, dj, theilen, probably moton last year.  

 

we have absolutely no depth anywhere on the roster and cobble that with a qb going into the season playing for his job its a dismal state of affairs

Every team, including ours, has talented players on it.

Disagree with that all you want, but it's true. We are not devoid of talent.

Now do we have depth or as much talent as the top 10 teams? No. But we have talent. We have the players needed to get us to 6-8 wins. We could have even pulled that off last year with better coaching.

I think we're definitely going to be able to pull that off this year. We can at least pull off 5.

Does more need to be added to thos team in coming years? Sure. But guess what? We will. This year was about ripping pieces out and reinstalling the floor. From here we build up

[Mage]

The biggest problem with the Panthers roster is the lack of top-end players.  Derrick Brown is probably the only guy on the roster who would be top 10 at their position.  Maybe Moton would be too, but I'm not going to lie and pretend like I'm familiar with all the right tackles in the NFL.

Jaycee Horn could be a top 10 CB... if he stayed healthy.  Otherwise, yeah, I agree that this roster is more talented than people think.  We've got a bunch of good, quality players and young guys with upside.  I think our depth is stronger than it was last year.  However those top-end players who can win you a possession are what makes the difference in most games.  This is why we need one of our recent high-draft picks to step up and be that player, whether it is Bryce, Legette, Ikem, Sanders, Brooks, Mingo, etc.  

This is why I'm generally not a fan of trading good players away.  Replacing them is not nearly as easy as it seems on paper, although I do think we did a good job bringing in multiple players on the DL to help with the loss of Burns.  You need to keep your best players.  Say what you want about Hurney, yeah he did overpay a lot... but at least he kept them.  

Edited June 8 by Mage

[csx]

4 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

That’s ridiculous. No team is ever more than 2-3 years max.  

You have to say some pretty absurd things to stick out here. That's all this is about.

[rayzor]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think we are very far away from that, unfortunately. I also think our roster is far worse than most realize. It's largely unproven or underperforming young players or veteran journeymen. Our core is the smallest it has been in probably 15 or more years.

The truth is, our talent pool has been shrinking rapidly since Ron left. This is the result of Gettleman's poor drafting in his latter years, Hurney's poor overall drafting and then the absolutely disasterous Rhule/Fitterer era. All the while, the deep talent pool we had was either retiring or leaving. 

I mean, what drafted talent do we have that would even start on a third of the NFL teams? Just basically Brown and Moton. Horn really doesn't count because, well....he is never healthy enough to start anyway. 

That's fuging terrible. If not the worst in the NFL, very close to it.

That's one way if looking at it, for sure, and I think that opinion is justified. But it's still just an opinion shaded through the lenses of suck that has taken place since Rhule got in.

Like I said above, I think we have the foundation for a good team. Not that we are a good team, but we have the foundation for one. That's what I see and I see us building that with Morgan and Canales.

Last year was as bad as it's going to get and it's going to get better this year and going forward. That's just how I see it.

One of us will be right. I hope I am. But neither of us know for sure at this point because we haven't played a game.

[Mage]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

That's assuming 2-3 years of HR draft after HR draft. That's not really a realistic goal for us, IMO. Possible but not realistic.

Panthers aren't in a great spot, but plenty of examples in teams in spots similar to us turning it around within 2-3 years.  All it takes is one.

Hell, look at all the takes about the Texans 2 years ago.  Yeah they got CJ Stroud, but who knows what is in store for the Panthers?  Maybe we get our CJ Stroud in 2025 or 2026.  You just never know.  I don't think you can call a 2-3 year turnaround unrealistic though.

[strato]

We aren’t even one game into the Morgan/Canales era.

I know, Tepper. An era could be 6 weeks. 

We don’t have a lot to go on as far as are they going to excel and things are already changed,  or they suck and things are already the same. We just don’t know yet.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

That's one way if looking at it, for sure, and I think that opinion is justified. But it's still just an opinion shaded through the lenses of suck that has taken place since Rhule got in.

Like I said above, I think we have the foundation for a good team. Not that we are a good team, but we have the foundation for one. That's what I see and I see us building that with Morgan and Canales.

Last year was as bad as it's going to get and it's going to get better this year and going forward. That's just

how I see it.

One of us will be right. I hope I am. But neither of us know for sure at this point because we haven't played a game.

Yeah, I hope you are right too. Would love nothing more than to be wrong.

2 hours ago, Mage said:

Panthers aren't in a great spot, but plenty of examples in teams in spots similar to us turning it around within 2-3 years.  All it takes is one.

Hell, look at all the takes about the Texans 2 years ago.  Yeah they got CJ Stroud, but who knows what is in store for the Panthers?  Maybe we get our CJ Stroud in 2025 or 2026.  You just never know.  I don't think you can call a 2-3 year turnaround unrealistic though.

I think if you look at the past decade or so of drafting and free agency, the Texans have done significantly better. Doesn't mean they are significantly better as a franchise necessarily but they are definitely way ahead of where we are in 2024.

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 hours ago, Mage said:

Panthers aren't in a great spot, but plenty of examples in teams in spots similar to us turning it around within 2-3 years.  All it takes is one.

I think that's because you really only need 3-5 high end players to build around.  You get any more than that, and you're going to have to start letting guys leave.  Most NFL rosters are filled out with guys that are replacement level or slightly above.

[Basbear]

9 hours ago, rayzor said:

I think people are underestimating the talent we've gotten in our team now. Not saying we're great, but I think we're going to be a lot better than people think.

We're not that far away from being a solid playoff team.

Mock, poo, and/or disagree all you want, buy I don't think we're as bad now as we were last year. I think the coaching situation was the thing that sunk us. Not having such a clusterfug of a coaching situation cost us 5-6 games.

You can make a decent case that most of the starters are at-least average. But depth-wise, its awful, maybe the worst in the NFL. 

The only reason they could be a playoff team, is the awful NFC south and its collection of bad QBs and coaching staffs. That changed big time when cousins and Morris arrived to ATL. Now it would take a setback to cousins, in which he currently ready to play given all the stem cells and peptides stuff he has. 

In past years there was always some elite talent leftd on the 7 win rosters. Like many know theres just dbrown and a huge ? in horn. If hunt was elite, phins would have tagged him. There's no Thomas Davis, Luke, Cam, Olsen, peppers, kalil, beason, gross, Jenkins, Smitty etc on the team. Brown is great and all, but sacks and pressure wise, he's not game changing. Panthers lack difference makers, young ones. You could make a weak case for clowney, but that ravens D is stacked. 

Us fans just need to hope Dan Morgan can collect more young difference maker in the next 2-3 years. If Bryce isn't that guy, 4 years before this team can sniff the playoffs. 

Honestly the panthers are due some luck as well.

Edited June 8 by Basbear