The franchise guy Carolina Panthers Deep Dive

[amcoolio]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

stats and logical fallacies are fun to make up

what stats? i said “i’d say”. even during Cams MVP season you had several posters here say they don’t trust him to keep it going or that his showboating was gonna doom him in the playoffs. There are just a lot of negative Panthers fans in existence

[mrcompletely11]

21 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Cam reached I'd say an 80% approval rate in 2015, but it was back to being in the 50's following the SB. "We will never win anything with Cam as our QB" was a strong narrative on here after the SB.

 

[CPF4LIFE]

23 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sanders played last season with his personal stat line in mind.  And did his OL no favors even if you want to call them trash.    And I think you can legitimately question his DNA as a leader present day. 

Penix and Nix both played big boy college football....and won.  Sanders won 4 games at Colorado and is on 6 game losing stretch. 

LOL......Colorado was a team that won 1 WHOLE game the year prior and brought in a new coach with a bunch of transfers the next year. Anybody could clearly see they overachieved last year just winning 4 games, the expectations were just mixed in with the Deion hype. That team wasnt ready to compete for real. Also that offensive line was one of the worst in college easily so what the hell are you talking about shaduer did them no favors? Please spare me with all this....that team was a work in progress and Deion said that himself. The other QBs already had complete teams built around them to compete....this is clear context.

Edited May 28, 2024 by CPF4LIFE

[Mother Grabber]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Go back and read. I said I'm not completely writing him off. But yeah, at this point I'd honestly be borderline shocked if he works out. 

You're the one who acted like a condescending douche while failing at reading comprehension. Don't get butthurt about it. Ice up son.

“99% sure” isn’t completely writing him off? splitting hairs don’t you think? sounds more like you’re being passive aggressive, and keeping that one little percent around just in case, so you don’t have to say you were wrong. speaking of icing up, son…

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

how’s that? amidoinitrite?

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

“99% sure” isn’t completely writing him off? splitting hairs don’t you think? sounds more like you’re being passive aggressive, and keeping that one little percent around just in case, so you don’t have to say you were wrong. speaking of icing up, son…

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

how’s that? amidoinitrite?

I don't know if you're being intentionally dense or if it just comes naturally but wow. 

[ECHornet]

9 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

LOL......Colorado was a team that won 1 WHOLE game the year prior and brought in a new coach with a bunch of transfers the next year. Anybody could clearly see they overachieved last year just winning 4 games, the expectations were just mixed in with the Deion hype. That team wasnt ready to compete for real. Also that offensive line was one of the worst in college easily so what the hell are you talking about shaduer did them no favors? Please spare me with all this....that team was a work in progress and Deion said that himself. The other QBs already had complete teams built around them to compete....this is clear context.

Shadeur probably struggled pre and post snap which made his OL look worse. 

Edited May 28, 2024 by ECHornet

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Colorado was a team that won 1 WHOLE game the year prior and brought in a new coach with a bunch of transfers the next year. Anybody could clearly see they overachieved last year just winning 4 games, the expectations were just mixed in with the Deion hype. That team wasnt ready to compete for real clear. Also that offensive line was one of the worst in college easily so what the hell are you talking about shaduer did them no favors? Please spare me with all this....that team was a work in progress and Deion said that himself. The other guys already had complete teams built around them.

and they won just a whole 4 games this year.  with a completely overhauled roster in a pay to play world......with what some are pimping as a game changing QB.   

they didn't overachieve. 

I think they are poorly coached.   I think they have poor leadership....and both showed down the stretch. 

Deion is a great marketer.  Always has been. 

What am I talking about with the QB who did them no favors?  He plays with his completion % and TD/INT ratio in mind.  He avoids throws and opts for completions and he flat out opts to take sacks.  Hard to debate that.  All those sacks aren't on the OL.   They weren't great.  Call them bad.  But plenty of big name QBs saw more pressure or comparable pressure...... and took less sacks. 

But team Sanders is about team Sanders and Shaduer going into the NFL.   Not Colorado.   

[CPF4LIFE]

39 minutes ago, Coheed said:

Lmao just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean theres a personal vendetta bro

Lol..its not about you disagreeing with me. Im just stating all those things you said will be irrelevant in the  draft process especially for teams that really need a QB. Cam had baggage, Caleb williams had baggage...once teams sit these guys down and get to know them they will formulate their own opinions as long as the production is there on the field Somebody will draft him if they really need a QB. Therefore your personal opinion of how good a teammate he is and how he flaunts himself doesnt matter. lol

[CPF4LIFE]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

and they won just a whole 4 games this year.  with a completely overhauled roster in a pay to play world......with what some are pimping as a game changing QB.   

they didn't overachieve. 

I think they are poorly coached.   I think they have poor leadership....and both showed down the stretch. 

Deion is a great marketer.  Always has been. 

What am I talking about with the QB who did them no favors?  He plays with his completion % and TD/INT ration in mind.  Hard to debate that.  All those sacks aren't on the OL.   They weren't great.  But team Sanders is about team Sanders and Shaduer going into the NFL.   Not Colorado.   

And let me guess, you talked to all his teammates coaches and found this out from them? Lol...like i just told the other guy that sounds like a real personal opinion of dislike.  The same dislike that team got all year from everybody else. Not gonna have nothing to do with a NFL team drafting shaduer long as he plays well.

[Mother Grabber]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know if you're being intentionally dense or if it just comes naturally but wow. 

thinking 99% and 100% are essentially the same thing is being dense?

LOL

i will admit i did make a big mistake by actually reading comments in a thread again. i’ll go back to just watching camp videos and twatter updates, and stay away from the anti-bryce venom that spews over every thread.

Edited May 28, 2024 by Mother Grabber

[CRA]

48 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

And let me guess, you talked to all his teammates coaches and found this out from them? Lol...like i just told the other guy that sounds like a real personal opinion of dislike.  The same dislike that team got all year from everybody else. Not gonna have nothing to do with a NFL team drafting shaduer long as he plays well.

 I mean, I was on record as team Sanders at the start of his college football venture.   

But Sanders has basically pulled the curtain back on himself IMO.    Deion is the only one influencing me.  

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

thinking 99% and 100% are essentially the same thing is being dense?

LOL

i will admit i did make a big mistake by actually reading comments in a thread again. i’ll go back to just watching camp videos and twatter updates, and stay away from the anti-bryce venom that spews over every thread.

Yes, it is because they're not. One is an absolute. One isn't. The logic here isn't very complex. Nobody cares if you leave. Do or don't. The threats as if anyone cares is just pathetic.

[Coheed]

15 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Lol..it’s not about you disagreeing with me. Im just stating all those things you said will be irrelevant in the  draft process especially for teams that really need a QB. Cam had baggage, Caleb williams had baggage...once teams sit these guys down and get to know them they will formulate their own opinions as long as the production is there on the field Somebody will draft him if they really need a QB. Therefore your personal opinion of how good a teammate he is and how he flaunts himself doesnt matter. lol

Teams won’t care about what former and current team mates have to say about him?  That’s news to me. 
 

yeah Cam had baggage but dude was always ride or die for the team and also had generational talent, which Sanders hasn’t shown

 

caleb hasn’t even taken a snap yet so in your words that’s “irrelevant”. 

 

I’d be more willing to give sanders a pass/benefit of the doubt if he showed that he was by far *that* dude - but he hasn’t, and the fact that he acts like he has is a huge red flag for me.  

 

 

 

 

[Bear Hands]

He's routinely a great watch.  Good content. 

• I like his optimism on Chubba in our scheme, allows us to bring in Brooks at an optimal pace relative to his recovery (who we got obviously to be our new guy, could become the focal point of this offense)
• The two news OGs will have no issue playing our offense coming from familiar schemes, one in Hunt being league top, is going to be huge for our running game more than anything.  I also liked him maintaining some optimism with Icky.  
• Seeing his page and commentary on our defense really puts in perspective how much turnover we have.  It should feel like a much different team (hopefully better) especially that front-7.  Jewell is going to be better than people expect, he was super unheralded for Denver and is just a smart closer who played against the Chiefs routinely well.