Does anyone actually think Bryce will actually be good?

[TN05]

I want to think he can be. He looked great the second half of the Packers game.

The problem is, he looked awful pretty much the entire rest of the season. Which is the real one?

[MHS831]

10 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

I think this is a subtle short joke. If not, apologies for misinterpreting but I’m amused nonetheless. 

He did not elevate the players around him, but they de-elevated their QB.  A QB like Bryce needs a system, a strong OL, a Running game, and WRs that can get open.  Call him a manager at best, but so is a point guard.  That is all we should need.  He is smart enough to grow into a very effective player. 

I once saw a Coach talking about the OL--i forget who it was Schottenheimer comes to mind--and he said, you can succeed if you have one weak link on the OL.  If you get 2 weak links, success comes 10x harder.  If you get three weak links, your season is over.  Your QB is injured, and you are unemployed (paraphrasing).  I would say that we had 4 weak links (Icky does not get a pass) and a RB who was not good at pass blocking.

I am not saying the Bryce is the answer at QB--but I am saying we don't know yet. I know QBs (college) and when the OL sucks, they collapse mentally over time.  That is what we saw--a QB who had never played without the advantage.

[rayzor]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

He did not elevate the players around him, but they de-elevated their QB.  A QB like Bryce needs a system, a strong OL, a Running game, and WRs that can get open.  Call him a manager at best, but so is a point guard.  That is all we should need.  He is smart enough to grow into a very effective player. 

I once saw a Coach talking about the OL--i forget who it was Schottenheimer comes to mind--and he said, you can succeed if you have one weak link on the OL.  If you get 2 weak links, success comes 10x harder.  If you get three weak links, your season is over.  Your QB is injured, and you are unemployed (paraphrasing).  I would say that we had 4 weak links (Icky does not get a pass) and a RB who was not good at pass blocking.

I am not saying the Bryce is the answer at QB--but I am saying we don't know yet. I know QBs (college) and when the OL sucks, they collapse mentally over time.  That is what we saw--a QB who had never played without the advantage.

                                                                                        

we may think we know, but we don't know. we won't know what effect upgrades on the OL, coaching staff, and WR room will have. we don't know what scheme canales is going to put together. we don't know a lot of things. 

that's why we play the games...to see what shakes out. plenty of reasons to think Bryce is limited this year...again. Plenty of reasons to see an improvement in his play. 

[d-dave]

The problem that Bryce faces is his lack of prototypical tools.  He's not the tall, strong armed mobile QB that tends to get drafted first overall.  His game is not played in underwear on a practice field.  His best asset are his intangibles.  They aren't sexy like a cannon arm or a fast 40 yard dash.

OK, so we took the lesser athlete.  Bryce put up a pretty bad season with a bad team around him.  The coaching staff, for all it's platitudes, sucked.  They made sure Bryce could run a huddle, but didn't help him get better as a player.  Bad choice.

Compare that to what other teams did to their Rookies:  they put them in position to succeed with better personnel and better play calling.  Sure, there are physical differences which are going to affect the outcomes, but you can't change it.

Am I trying to ride to the defense of Bryce?  Only a little.  He's my favorite team's QB, and I believe in him.  Now, he's got this year to show that he's "the No. 1 for a reason" (Thanks CJ Stroud).  Will he, won't he?  I don't know at all.  That's on the D&D crew to put Bryce is position to play well.  Running the ball is going to make things a lot easier for Bryce.  Does that discount his success if he plays well?  For some of y'all it will.  Some of y'all just don't like Bryce, like he stole you DoorDash or something.

Regardless, let's see what happens in 2024.  If Bryce stinks it up, then we're going back to the QB well again.  

[csx]

16 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

This year, next year or ever?  

Try reading the Huddle. It's pretty much the only topic. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Simply not true.

Examples? 

Edited May 16 by TLGPanthersFan

[MechaZain]

I still think he can be. If he's the dynamic playmaker he was billed as then the playbook last year didn't give him much room to work. Canales coached Wilson so I expect him to be better than Reich in that regard from day 1.

Edited May 16 by MechaZain

[Mistuh Jones]

still high on that black tar hopium but I saw enough flashes in Bryce (4th quarter @ chicago and green bay game) that I think he'll be straight with the scheme our actually HUNGRY HC Canales is drawing up. 

[Jon Snow]

7 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

I still think he can be. If he's the dynamic playmaker he was billed as then the playbook last year didn't give him much room to work. Canales coached Wilson so I expect him to be better than Reich in that regard from day 1.

It will probably come down to the offense he creates for this team. If he comes up with something that is suited to his players then he might have a chance. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

He did not elevate the players around him, but they de-elevated their QB.  A QB like Bryce needs a system, a strong OL, a Running game, and WRs that can get open.  Call him a manager at best, but so is a point guard.  That is all we should need.  He is smart enough to grow into a very effective player. 

I once saw a Coach talking about the OL--i forget who it was Schottenheimer comes to mind--and he said, you can succeed if you have one weak link on the OL.  If you get 2 weak links, success comes 10x harder.  If you get three weak links, your season is over.  Your QB is injured, and you are unemployed (paraphrasing).  I would say that we had 4 weak links (Icky does not get a pass) and a RB who was not good at pass blocking.

I am not saying the Bryce is the answer at QB--but I am saying we don't know yet. I know QBs (college) and when the OL sucks, they collapse mentally over time.  That is what we saw--a QB who had never played without the advantage.

So he needs a perfect situation. Which is pretty much what they said about Darnold. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, d-dave said:

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Regardless, let's see what happens in 2024.  If Bryce stinks it up, then we're going back to the QB well again.  

If that were a sure thing I’d feel a lot better. That is win either way, if he is good. 

It kind of boils down to hope, maybe a little encouragement

versus

Belief. Solid feeling, with strong evidence. 

My biggest Panthers fear is him not being really good but them just hoping he can progress in another year so they are gonna rinse and repeat. Which is what is most real right now. 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

So he needs a perfect situation. Which is pretty much what they said about Darnold. 

Probably somewhere between perfect and last season's poo show.  He does need something to work with like a majority of QBs do.  If he can make it work from there is really anyone's guess.

[TD alt]

17 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Hope so.

 

If not Shedeur Sanders welcome to Charlotte baby!

You are very much so blowing Shedeur up. Unless something drastically changes, I don't want him by himself, or with his daddy.

[TD alt]

If a short to mid passing game becomes our staple, then maybe. But truth be told, I would never bet on Bryce to be good at this point.