Does anyone actually think Bryce will actually be good?

[strato]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, Chubba Hubbard and a rookie off a ACL? Going against defenses that have no fear of the deep ball?  Paired with Canales who had the worst rush attack in the NFL last year? 

not sure we have high odds of being a dominant rush attack.  

Penny is pretty good too. 

[rodeo]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean, Chubba Hubbard and a rookie off a ACL? Going against defenses that have no fear of the deep ball?  Paired with Canales who had the worst rush attack in the NFL last year? 

not sure we have high odds of being a dominant rush attack.  

Having no fear of the deep ball won't exactly work in their favor when XL is yanking deep balls out of the air.

[hepcat]

Do I want Bryce Young to be a good QB? Yes, the Panthers homer in me is rooting for him to turn it around against all odds and prove all the haters wrong. 

Do I think Bryce Young will be a good QB? No. And the odds are he won’t be. I didn’t think he’d translate to the NFL from the moment I watched him against the Texas defense in 2022, a game Alabama only won because Quinn Ewers got knocked out of the game. When he faced pressure he looked like sh*t and that’s the exact same QB we saw in the NFL. He’s too short to step up in the pocket so you have to design a gimmick offense to allow him to improvise plays. He didn’t scream “first overall pick” to me at least. 

Meanwhile CJ Stroud played out of his mind in the biggest game of his life against the best defense in college football and the Panthers said nah we’re going to draft the 5’9 guy who couldn’t carve up an average Texas defense. 

[CRA]

7 hours ago, rodeo said:

Having no fear of the deep ball won't exactly work in their favor when XL is yanking deep balls out of the air.

And I have been a big XL guy/fan.  He know doubt was drafted because he fits a role that is in all the Os Canales has been around. 

my concern is Bryce, and it’s probably not a talent issue on this aspect.  Just a QB DNA thing.  I really think Canales and XL pair best with a gunslinger/risk taker.   You want to limit gunslinger with the run but then need the QB to go downfield aggressively.  

Bryce needs to simply play and be more aggressive downfield.   Which is easier said than done if not wired that way

[*FreeFua*]

We’ve already seen Young’s limitations come out. It’s clear he’s scheme dependant. So what’re we even doing here?

We’re talking about creating a run first offense with big time protection in the middle to create a clean pocket? 

You can drop just about any QB not named Sam Darnold into a situation like this and they’d have some degree of success. 

I hope we’re in position to take another QB next year. Re set the 5 year rookie QB contract window and try again

[rayzor]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

And I have been a big XL guy/fan.  He know doubt was drafted because he fits a role that is in all the Os Canales has been around. 

my concern is Bryce, and it’s probably not a talent issue on this aspect.  Just a QB DNA thing.  I really think Canales and XL pair best with a gunslinger/risk taker.   You want to limit gunslinger with the run but then need the QB to go downfield aggressively.  

Bryce needs to simply play and be more aggressive downfield.   Which is easier said than done if not wired that way

truthfully, when did he have time last year to throw it down field? plays took far too long to develop and the OL gave him no time. 

i think we are basing far too much of bryce's assessment on a situation that didn't work out in his favor at all. it was probably the worst situation a rookie QB could have found himself in. the only i can think of who had it worse was David Carr, who had an even worse rookie season than Bryce by a significant margin statistically. 

i think most would realize that carr was probably a better QB than his record would show, but he was shell shocked in his first few years because they did nothing to try to help him out. 3 of his 5 years in houston he led the league in sacks. i don't think he would ever have been an elite QB, but had he been in a better situation he probably would have had a better and longer career.

point is, i don't think we saw everything that bryce is capable of because he was limited by the situation. but i understand the pessimism most have, because all we really have to go on was what we saw last year. that's why i wait to see what happens with a better situation. i just don't think you can give an accurate assessment of him based on last year. it wouldn't be fair for any rookie, tbh, but for one whos situation was so fugged up i think it's even more unfair.

had nothing changed in the situation, you could probably expect more of the same. that's just not the case, though. a whole lot changed for the team and for his situation and i think for the better. it just makes sense that if we improved the situation that he will improve. 

[Mage]

I'm still optimistic he can be a good QB.  And that if he does fail, I don't think size is the #1 reason why.  I'm not saying his small stature helps, but it isn't at the forefront of the issues he has a QB. 

One of the biggest improvements I would like to see is him being more decisive.  Not just as a passer but as a runner.  Maybe it was because he was shell-shocked by the midway point, but he took too long to make decisions such as when to escape from the pocket.  His footwork also needs to be worked on.  Neither of those are size issues.  Those are issues QBs of all sizes have.  

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, Mage said:

I'm still optimistic he can be a good QB.  And that if he does fail, I don't think size is the #1 reason why.  I'm not saying his small stature helps, but it isn't at the forefront of the issues he has a QB. 

One of the biggest improvements I would like to see is him being more decisive.  Not just as a passer but as a runner.  Maybe it was because he was shell-shocked by the midway point, but he took too long to make decisions such as when to escape from the pocket.  His footwork also needs to be worked on.  Neither of those are size issues.  Those are issues QBs of all sizes have.  

But Frank wasn't going to address any of those issues until this offseason.  WTF?

[Shotgun]

12 hours ago, pantherdad said:

I feel like having a dominant run game is going to help Bryce out tremendously, then he will be able to make his throws. I feel he will take some steps forward this season 

Having a dominant run game will be pretty hard with very little downfield passing ability though.

[PNW_PantherMan]

50 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i think we are basing far too much of bryce's assessment on a situation that didn't work out in his favor at all. it was probably the worst situation a rookie QB could have found himself in. the only i can think of who had it worse was David Carr, who had an even worse rookie season than Bryce by a significant margin statistically. 

i think most would realize that carr was probably a better QB than his record would show, but he was shell shocked in his first few years because they did nothing to try to help him out. 3 of his 5 years in houston he led the league in sacks. i don't think he would ever have been an elite QB, but had he been in a better situation he probably would have had a better and longer career.

I don't really buy into the David Carr was a good QB until he got drafted by Houston storyline.  So its kind of an apt comparison.  The reality is he was really slow to make decisions with the ball.  He didn't read the field well.  His line exacerbated the situation by being terrible, but he just wasn't very good.  When he came to Carolina, he didn't have that Sam Darnold panic and throw the ball disease.  That's what I would expect from someone who's "shell shocked".  Not being really slow at reading the field and making the right throws.

Some guys just don't have it at the NFL level.  Best of luck to Bryce but history is not on our side here.

[rayzor]

12 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Having a dominant run game will be pretty hard with very little downfield passing ability though.

i think we'll see more down field passing if we have an OL that can give him a little time, WRS that can get open, and plays that don't take too long to develop. those contributed more to a lack of downfield throws than anything.

i know people don't like to refer back to this...but in his time in college he didn't have any problem making downfield throws and no, i don' think a yard gets longer in the pros. if he could throw a deep ball in college easily, he can throw it in the pros. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Bryce will likely be er be a good downfield passer. His deep ball accuracy wasn't good at Alabama either.

[rayzor]

and regarding his deep ball throws...

looks like he can toss them without a lot of effort here and it looks like he's got the arm.

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bryce will likely be er be a good downfield passer. His deep ball accuracy wasn't good at Alabama either.

i agree that was a bit of a problem, but as far as him being able to throw it downfield i think he's quite capable. that's probably why we got a guy like XL, to help when things aren't exactly on target.